Three Possible Outcomes Seen

electionSource: The Sun Daily

The general election date has been the subject of speculation for almost a year and it is now expected to be held on April 14 or 21. There are three possible outcomes for the election: Scenario 1: The status quo remains; Scenario 2: A reduced majority for the BN; and Scenario 3: BN regains two-thirds majority in Parliament.

There are 222 parliamentary seats in the country, of which, about 150 are Malay/bumiputra seats, 30 mixed and 42 Chinese majority. In the 2008 election, the BN won 140 seats and the Opposition 82 seats. Umno won 79 seats, MCA 15 seats, MIC 3 and Gerakan 2. PKR won 31 seats, DAP 28 and PAS 23.

From our analysis, it is clear that the rural population has largely returned to BN, in particular the rural Malays. Umno is expected to win more seats than in 2008. It is likely that it may win 85 to 90 parliamentary seats. There is also a clear trend that Indian voters in rural and semi-urban areas have shifted back to BN.

However, the urban voters are largely still with the Opposition. Even if more urban Malays were to support Pakatan, it will not increase Pakatan’s seats as these urban seats are already held by DAP.

The urban Chinese support for DAP is strong, and as high as 85% of urban Chinese may vote for it. This will increase DAP’s seats from between 35 and 40, up from the 28 it won in 2008.

The prime minister’s hope is that his outreach programmes to the Chinese community can win over some of the undecided Chinese voters but that is still a difficult challenge. Most Chinese voters seem to have made up their minds. Some older Chinese and the Chinese business community may want to give Najib a chance. They value peace, stability and prosperity.

In a study on the main concerns of the Chinese community organised by ASLI’s Centre for Public Policy Studies, it was determined that the main issues were those of crime and corruption, education, cost of living, fairness and justice, religious issues, lack of civil service participation and lack of meritocracy. These have caused frustrations among the Chinese voters.

However if the Malay and Indian voters swing back to BN is strong, it will help MCA and Gerakan in the mixed seats where Malay voters account for more than 40% of constituents and Indian voters between 10% and 15%.

Many undecided voters will want to see who the candidates are and how the campaign unfolds. A gaffe or a mistake can be costly during the campaign period.

Datuk Seri Najib Razak will campaign from a position of strength. His popularity, personality and hard work can win him a lot of support. Obviously, he is more popular than his party. His proven track record in the transformation programmes and economic performance with the 6.4% GDP growth in the 4th quarter of 2012 puts him and the BN government in good stead.

On the other hand, there is some urban dissatisfaction over abuse of power, human rights violations, crime and corruption.

In Sarawak, Tan Sri Taib Mahmud will deliver 100% of his PBB seats to the BN and hence secure the majority in the state. However, the PRS (Parti Rakyat Sarawak) and SPDP (Sarawak Progressive Democratic Party) may lose a couple of Dayak seats to PKR.

The SUPP will come under strong challenge from the DAP and could lose all its Chinese majority seats – but win back Sibu with a new candidate and retain the Dayak seat of its deputy president, Datuk Richard Riot – hence winning two out of its six parliamentary seats.

In Sabah, Umno should be able to do well, leading the BN to regain control of the state government. DAP will win in several more Chinese-majority seats.

In Peninsular Malaysia, the MCA seats that will see tough fights are Gelang Patah, Kulai and Tanjung Piai in Johor, and Lumut in Perak. These seats are vulnerable. On the other hand, MCA has a good chance of winning back Padang Serai, Gopeng and Selayang should there be a strong Malay and Indian swing back to BN.

In the state contest, Pakatan should retain Kelantan and Penang but will face a strong challenge from BN. In Penang, if the Malay swing is strong, Umno may win 17 Malay seats, and if MCA and Gerakan can win just four more seats, BN will regain Penang with a narrow margin. The fight for Selangor will be the toughest and it is 50:50 for either side.

BN should win Kedah and Perak where the Malay swing back to Umno could help them win back some PKR and PAS seats in Perak – although the DAP will likely hold on to all its Chinese-majority seats in Perak.

According to our final analysis, BN will win the 13th general election. Only the size of the majority remains uncertain. BN is expected to win between 123 and 135 seats. This is the most likely outcome.

However, if the Malay and Indian voters swing back to BN is strong and Najib is able to bring back more undecided Chinese, then BN can win up to 150 seats – which will restore BN’s two-thirds majority. The third scenario is that BN retains about the same number of seats – around 140 – it won in 2008.

Nevertheless what can be certain is that the two big winners in the election will be Umno and the DAP.

What is also important to consider is the shape of the post-GE13 government. Will there be a new political realignment? Will Umno seek a new alliance with PAS for Malay and Muslim unity, and how will this impact the non-Malays and non-Muslims? Will the two big expected winners (Umno and DAP) seek a new political realignment?

Nothing is impossible. After all, there are no permanent friends or permanent enemies in politics. These are the sort of post-election scenarios that need to be considered too.

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Tan Sri Michael Yeoh Oon Kheng is CEO of ASLI and deputy chairman of the Centre for Public Policy Studies.

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228 Responses to Three Possible Outcomes Seen

  1. AnonKL says:

    There’s no way that there will be a new political ‘realignment’ between UMNO and DAP, should both parties come out as the biggest winners in the coming GE. They both despise each other, intensely.

    Post GE13, BN should just focus on helping the communities that support the party; the Malays, the Indians, the non-Chinese Sarawakians and Sabahans, and all other ‘native’ Malaysians. For the Chinese, they should seek help from DAP. It’s their fault that they do not elect to have representation in the BN government.

    • Equalizer says:

      No matter what happen, UMNO should never align with DAP. Let DAP itself help the chinese as it always play racial politics. We shall see how far this self- inflated egocentric DAP can do to help the chinese without MCA.

      DAP inflated the hatred of the chinese towards MCA by always claiming that MCA was the running dog of UMNO, so why must UMNO have a running dog in DAP? Without MCA, UMNO and BN still can take care of the chinese. Why must have a chinese party to take care of the chinese? Remember 1 Malaysia.

      Let DAP alone, let it rot. If that’s what ‘those’ chinese want, LET IT BE. DAP can shout and make noise, so what? They have been making noise since time immemorial.

      We will love to see how DAP by itself, can go around helping the chinese. In fact the chinese at present are assisted by MCA all the time . DAP just play politics and talk and talk, and condemn and condemn.

      Anything good for the chinese, they will quickly claimed as their work and anything bad, they will blame BN. That’s their standard propaganda and they called it “work”. Still many chinese believe them as they have been immersed in politics of hatred for UMNO and MCA. That’s why I’ve said before that it is very easy to be CM of Penang, JUST PLAY RACIAL POLITIC AND THE BLAME GAME and a lot of Penangites will clap.

      If MCA do badly, it’s alright so long as you don’t play dirty and hate politics. Just remain in BN and do your good services, but remember don’t ever accept any ministerial post as offered or not. In principal, if the majority of chinese do not support you, why should you hold a ministerial post ?. Chua Soi Lek is right. Just sit back and continue to expose the dirty works and lies of the DAP.
      Live to fight another day.

      • anon says:

        Thanks Equalizer
        Its bitter but rings some truth there

        People should have more gratitude.
        Its a good moral, now and thereafter

        Lets teach our children, the next generation this basic virtue

  2. MacDavid says:

    I think BN will win in Kelantan, Kedah and Selangor. If there are no ‘katak lompat’ or if PAS remains with PR, Penang will still be under DAP. PKR will somehow sink in oblivion, just like S46.

    I think our Rear Admiral will land in hot soup again. This time not because of sodomizing young men or caught on camera, banging whores, but due to treason, in the Lahat Datu intrusion. He might ran to the Australian Embassy, this time and he might be suicidal. He might also jump-off that bridge in Putrajaya or spend what’s left of his miserable life in Tanjung Rambutan.

  3. A says:

    I disagree with the statement “In the state contest, Pakatan should retain Kelantan and Penang but will face a strong challenge from BN.” Maybe it’s just the word “should”, but I agree with the statements that followed – that in Penang, if the Malay swing is strong, Umno may win 17 Malay seats, and if MCA and Gerakan can win just four more seats, BN will regain Penang with a narrow margin …

    I want to highlight the following factors that’ll help BN win those Pakatan-ruled states, including Selangor:

    1. The “Malay swing” to BN is strong, has begun even after 1-2 years of Pakatan rule when they showed the same weaknesses they accuse BN of, increasing as the years passed by, including Selangor Talamgate, Perak Tailorgate and the Nga & Ngeh Kelantan 10,000 acres landgate, Penang Bayan Mutiara and Taman Manggisgate, etc.

    2. The non-Malays have been bombarded with news time and again – not planted but reported by all media as they happened – of the discord, disunity and contradicting stands of the 3 members of Pakatan Rakyat, on fundamental issues like Hudud, kalimah Allah, PM candidature, even simple things as issuing summons to Chinese hair salons and khalwat couples. I know of many who have been disgusted with such a divisive lot that they say cannot be trusted to run a government properly, the words they use being “susah rakyat” if they are allowed to continue in the 4 states, let alone be allowed to reach Putrajaya.

    3. A coalition that cannot even agree to register themselves like BN did, implying a non-commitment to what each one of the parties preach. They won’t even answer newsmen’s questions as to who their PM candidate is at the unveiling of their so-called election manifesto. How can it be a manifesto when they keep saying what are said at election campaigns are not promises, and get sued by several groups, the most recent one being by 1,000 senior citizens.

    4. The discerning voters would have seen the above. But the average voters would have seen the simple facts of garbage collection, drainage cleaning and flash flood problems, the pitiful housewives carrying pails of water up the stairs of 4-storey no-lift flats in several parts of Selangor, no low-cost houses on Penang island, the land sold off instead of allocating some to Penang Development Corporation to build low cost housing units.

    Yes, the hardcore members and supporters of PKR, DAP and PAS will continue voting PR, but they have never been the majority in the country. The racial composition of constituencies does indicate the voting trends but the above factors will enhance BN chances of winning back the 4 states, even of getting 2/3 majority in Parliament.

    • Chaptokam says:

      I fully agree with your analysis my gut feeling is BN shud win Penang…..more to come from Najib for Penang which is yet to announce !

    • zam says:

      BN will regain Penang with a narrow margin …
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      This is an illusion not analysis…you have to be on the ground to get a more credible conclusion.

      The “Malay swing” to BN is strong, has begun even after 1-2 years of Pakatan rule when they showed the same weaknesses they accuse BN of, increasing as the years passed by, including Selangor Talamgate, Perak Tailorgate and the Nga & Ngeh Kelantan 10,000 acres landgate, Penang Bayan Mutiara and Taman Manggisgate, etc.
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      Pakatan machimery in Selangor has been effective to neutralize these issues

      The non-Malays have been bombarded with news time and again – not planted but reported by all media as they happened – of the discord, disunity and contradicting stands of the 3 members of Pakatan Rakyat, on fundamental issues like Hudud, kalimah Allah, PM candidature, even simple things as issuing summons to Chinese hair salons and khalwat couples. I know of many who have been disgusted with such a divisive lot that they say cannot be trusted to run a government properly, the words they use being “susah rakyat” if they are allowed to continue in the 4 states, let alone be allowed to reach Putrajaya.
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      These issues are trivial compared to the “CHANGE” required by the hardcores as well as the fence sitters…These issues are blown onlt on BN TV channels….

      hey won’t even answer newsmen’s questions as to who their PM candidate
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      This is a strategy rather than weakness to avoid BN attack…

      How can it be a manifesto when they keep saying what are said at election campaigns are not promises, and get sued by several groups, the most recent one being by 1,000 senior citizens.
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      It’s the BN “rich” machineries that instigate these, it has “some’ impact but cannot be categorize as a factor to provide a “swing”

      no low-cost houses on Penang island, the land sold off instead of allocating some to Penang Development Corporation to build low cost housing units.
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      The people in Penang knew that it was BN who was not cooperative on this issue…except the hardcore UMNO people…MCA & Gerakan are history in Penang….Malays will vote for DAP instead of MCA or Gerakan. Most Malays in Penang knows that whatever it is the penang CM will be a Chinese and LGE is a better bet while BN Chinese CM to help the malays and the Muslims are rethoric.

      But all in I still believe that some Malay votes that swings to pakatan in 2008 will come back to UMNO?BN especially those who were influence by Tun Mahathir on ABU…but damage has been done…

      I believe BN will win but the outcome of Sarawak due to Najib’s support to Taib is interesting. If Pakatan can penetrate the deep rural folks with attack on taib then Pakatan may have a chance to increase seats in Sarawak.

      I hope and i think BN will win but not 2/3 majority. The close fight will be Kedah & Perak while Selangor will remain under Pakatan.

      • Servant of God says:

        “Pakatan machimery in Selangor has been effective to neutralize these issues”

        How have they been effective? I still am not satisfied with the explanation on Talamgate, I am pissed off with PKNS now a high-end property developers, in fact I am pissed off with so many things right now. And I am not alone. You call that effective?

        “This is a strategy rather than weakness to avoid BN attack”

        This is what is known as being too smart so as to appear stupid. I need information to make my decisions. So do other people. How can we make decisions when we don’t know anything?

        Same thing with Shadow Cabinet. Of course some people in the Shadow Cabinet would not win in the elections. But what we want from PR announcing the Shadow Cabinet is to know what their “Dream Team” is like. We want to know who their best candidates are for each portfolios. Then only we can decide whether PR has really thought things out.

        If the candidates don’t win, it’s ok. Shit happens. Then find a replacement. We would understand.

        But, before we can understand, we want to know, so you PR need to speak more about the things that we rakyat REALLY want to hear.

        So stop making excuses.

        • zam says:

          How have they been effective? I still am not satisfied with the explanation on Talamgate,
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          The white paper on Talam has been published.

          I am pissed off with PKNS now a high-end property developers,
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          PKNS has to make money and there are other institution that has been taking care of the low cost houses schemes

          And I am not alone. You call that effective?
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          Yes of course you are not alone if not PR shud get 100% votes. And being effective and being true are two different things. BN has been effective on TV 3 but the truth is another thing. So do PR…if the information that they have been providing make some sense to BN supporter like me, it explains how effective it is…

          This is what is known as being too smart so as to appear stupid. I need information to make my decisions. So do other people. How can we make decisions when we don’t know anything?
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          The hardcores of PR oledi made their decision long time ago while the strategy is for people like you….perhaps
          But I am sure who i want to vote for irrespective of who leads PR, so I don’t bother….

          But, before we can understand, we want to know, so you PR need to speak more about the things that we rakyat REALLY want to hear.
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          As we know, PR has a lot of things that they have yet to settle including the allocation of seats in johore, kedah or even more seriously in Sabah. i do agree that we shouldn’t vote for a party that can’t even decide among themselves. On the other hand BN too are having similar problems in Sarawak, kedah and Terengganu…

          As such, the factor of undecisiveness of seat is not significant for the GE13 analysis…..not yet…since we can’t even figure out roughly when the election date is.

          • Servant of God says:

            “The white paper on Talam has been published.”

            But I am not satisfied with it. Remember, something might be legal, but that doesn’t make it right. For instance, the Penang government might have the authority to sell off the land earmarked for low-cost housing, but did that make it the right thing to do? Low-income people don’t belong on Penang ah?

            “PKNS has to make money and there are other institution that has been taking care of the low cost houses schemes”

            I’m sorry, you’re just bloody ignorant and the Selangor state government is stupid and greedy. The overarching role of the state government and its extensions is NOT TO MAKE MONEY. They are supposed to provide a good place SO THAT THE RAKYAT COULD LIVE COMFORTABLY AND MAKE MONEY. Do you understand? Try to get this through your head.

            “So do PR…if the information that they have been providing make some sense to BN supporter”

            Now that is just a plain lie, it’s insulting. With people in Kelana Jaya angry about losing their field, people in Wangsa Maju angry about Datum Jelatek, senior citizens and single mothers suing the Selangor government, and so many others, where is the sense? If PR’s communication is effective, people won’t be angry, do you understand? They would just accept. No need to speak of BN supporters, how can you justify the rage of all the fence sitters we’re seeing right now?

            “BN supporter like me”

            And I’m the part-time King of Spain.

            “On the other hand BN too are having similar problems in Sarawak, kedah and Terengganu”

            People wanting to become candidates is a reality in politics laa, mamat. There’s nothing wrong with it. What makes PR so damned screwed up is that they cannot do it like mature, non-brain-damaged people.

            You’re getting a lot of money from my replies, aren’t you? I feel that I should get a cut.

        • Anon says:

          I agree with everything SOG say. Don’t care if the Anon fellow say I’m also SOG.

          Only thing I disagree with SOG – his walloping is only mild.

          • Servant of God says:

            Mild? :)

            Patience, friend. Remember, the fight to uphold truth is about establishing facts, not the fanning of sentiments.

            We need to present to the public facts, and present them clearly, whereas the people on the other side depends on skewed perceptions and inflamed sentiments, both of which lead to poor decisions.

            I must admit, it was more satisfying when I whack them as if there were no tomorrow.

            But, I want to win the war, not the battle. I am not content to nail PR’s coffin shut. I want to seal it in lead and weld it shut for all eternity.

            It’s going to take a while, but some things you just have to do.

            Reject PR.

          • zam says:

            Do you understand? Try to get this through your head.
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            Mana sekolah you pergi? They are suppose to lose money is it? Baca lah sikit…..kalau tak sekolah pun….

          • zam says:

            hey are supposed to provide a good place SO THAT THE RAKYAT COULD LIVE COMFORTABLY AND MAKE MONEY.
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            For your information, we are not yet a WELFARE state. you understand? Go and read some more…

          • zam says:

            I’m sorry, you’re just bloody ignorant and the Selangor state government is stupid and greedy.
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            And you are saying 300,000 people who voted for them are stupid?

          • zam says:

            You’re getting a lot of money from my replies, aren’t you? I feel that I should get a cut.
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            And this is a narrow minded paid troopers of UMNO?BN people thinking that everyone here comment to be paid. I even whacked PR lah…

          • zam says:

            And I’m the part-time King of Spain.
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            Oh yeah? go back to Spain there, what the hell are you doing here..

          • zam says:

            People wanting to become candidates is a reality in politics laa, mamat. There’s nothing wrong with it. What makes PR so damned screwed up is that they cannot do it like mature, non-brain-damaged people.
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            That’s my argument you borrowed. Both dua kali lima.

          • zam says:

            Anon says:
            February 28, 2013 at 1:15 pm
            I agree with everything SOG say. Don’t care if the Anon fellow say I’m also SOG.

            Only thing I disagree with SOG – his walloping is only mild.
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            Sounds like a “Pak Turut” hah ha

          • Servant of God says:

            zam, I expected better from you.

            “They are suppose to lose money is it?”

            No. They’re not supposed to lose money. Governments are supposed to earn enough to cover their costs, not to make a profit. When a govt aims to make a profit, that’s when it starts ignoring the plight of the rakyat.

            “we are not yet a WELFARE state. you understand?”

            What has welfare got to do with it? The government exists for the rakyat, don’t you get it. The rakyat and the businesses pay taxes, and the government’s duty is to facilitate this. So the govt’s duty is just to collect enough to cover the expense of providing the infrastructure. If the govt aims to maximize profit, then they would be competing with the rakyat, and this is a conflict of interest. Faham tak ni?

            “Baca lah sikit…..kalau tak sekolah pun”

            Aku baca lebih dari sikit, yang buat2 tak faham ialah kau.

            “And you are saying 300,000 people who voted for them are stupid?”

            1) Put on your glasses, cuz i said the Selangor government, faham? The current PKR-led Selangor govt.
            2) PR got voted into power not because people fell in love with PR, but people hated Pak Lah. Read up your history.

            “Oh yeah? go back to Spain there, what the hell are you doing here..”

            Ahh, now I know how Tun M felt when the Pakatoons intentionally misunderstood his “better the devil you know” idiom. Here, this zam Pakatoon saja2 tak kenal sarcasm.

            zam, oo zam. I was being sarcastic. Faham ye?

          • Servant of God says:

            “Sounds like a “Pak Turut” hah ha”

            says the guy chanting the “TV3, Utusan, etc.” line like a parrot. Hahaha!

      • Anonymous says:

        “you have to be on the ground to get a more credible conclusion.” -

        You have been to the ground? And who says your conclusion is credible?

        “Pakatan machimery in Selangor has been effective to neutralize these issues” -

        Nonsense. This is just one voice. Your voice. Other voices do not say so.

        “These issues are trivial compared to the “CHANGE” required by the hardcores as well as the fence sitters…These issues are blown onlt on BN TV channels….” -

        What you say is trivial. How many hardcores and fence sitters are there? Not many. And what other channels you watch? Yet don’t say anything about them. Therefore what you say is nonsense.

        “This is a strategy rather than weakness to avoid BN attack…” -

        So, don’t answer newsmen’s questions and the rakyat laughing at him. And you, too.

        “The people in Penang knew that it was BN who was not cooperative on this issue…” -

        I don’t think so. Only some Penang people think that way. Many don’t.

        “MCA & Gerakan are history in Penang….” – That’s your opinion. Many others disagree.

        “Malays will vote for DAP instead of MCA or Gerakan.” –

        That’s nonsense. Most Malays in Penang know that DAP have not cared for the Malays and the Indians. The swing to BN have already been proven at the CNY PSY event.

        “LGE is a better bet” is only a rethoric, wild and usbstantiated claim. But BN Chinese CM will help the Malays and the Muslims and the Penang Malays and the Muslims know that.

        • zam says:

          You have been to the ground? And who says your conclusion is credible?
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          I didn’t, did i? or you like to do it ha ha ha

          Nonsense. This is just one voice. Your voice. Other voices do not say so.
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          I live in selangor and i vote in selangor for the past 5 times, did you? ha ha

          These issues are trivial compared to the “CHANGE” required by the hardcores as well as the fence sitters…These issues are blown onlt on BN TV channels….” -
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          If you do not understand the word trivial..i rest my case..not worth to waste my time…grow up girl..

          What you say is trivial. How many hardcores and fence sitters are there? Not many. And what other channels you watch? Yet don’t say anything about them. Therefore what you say is nonsense.
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          There are statistics after statistics by a lot of parties that the fence sitters are between 20 to 40% of voters depending on the constitution……do some reading will you…or you spent so much time tooth digging? careful, you may hurt your patients…

          “MCA & Gerakan are history in Penang….” – That’s your opinion. Many others disagree.
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          Did i asked for anyone to agree? not you off course….ha ha ha stupid.

          That’s nonsense. Most Malays in Penang know that DAP have not cared for the Malays and the Indians. The swing to BN have already been proven at the CNY PSY event.
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          The nonsense here is your opinion. So, saying other people opinion as nonsesnse is a nonsense itself ha ha ha hu hu hu

          “LGE is a better bet” is only a rethoric, wild and usbstantiated claim. But BN Chinese CM will help the Malays and the Muslims and the Penang Malays and the Muslims know that.
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          But a lot of people agree that Penang will be retain by opposition….whats the basis of your argument/ Ha ha ha grow up…..and again behave…noe sit down! Good girl…

          • Servant of God says:

            “Ha ha ha grow up…..and again behave…noe sit down! Good girl”

            Wow… your condecension is first class. You’re winning over many people, I’m sure.

        • zam says:

          But, I want to win the war, not the battle.
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          That’s the difference between you both and me. You both are interested to win a fight and a war while i am not. I did not support any side. i just don’t agree with what i don/t agree irrrespective of sides. You go and fight with your type….the pak turut of your opposite….

          • Servant of God says:

            Actually, the difference between you and me is that you are pretending to support BN, while in fact you are a PR trooper.

            I have chatted and spoken to quite a few BN people, as well as the fence sitters who have chosen to vote BN this time around. They come from different backgrounds, but what they do have in common is how critical they are of PR.

            You on the other hand, while trying to come across as pro-BN, have said exceedingly little on things critical of PR. You even went as far as to say that PR has an effective communications programme. What? Are you serious? (That there was rhetorical, don’t answer.)

            Well, you might claim to be the statistical anomaly, the outlier who isn’t like everyone else. That’s your right.

            But one person isn’t going to make me change my mind on the sincerity of true BN supporters. Whatever your objective is, I doubt you’re going to achieve it.

            Unless it’s to earn RM1 per comment. Then you’re just on fire!

        • zam says:

          No. They’re not supposed to lose money. Governments are supposed to earn enough to cover their costs, not to make a profit. When a govt aims to make a profit, that’s when it starts ignoring the plight of the rakyat.
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          You see, you must be able to differentiate between the government and the body of the government, the public sector and the private sector before you want to engage in this topic. PKNS is a Perbadanan and it is suppose to make profit even though own by the state government. the state government on the other hand is the public sector (economic term). The budget of the state government is not the same with the balance sheet of the PKNS. it’s a separate institution 9to put it that way). Even the state government must have surplus in the event their expenses exceed what have been budgeted. Thats all i can explain today

          • zam says:

            This is what you said: The tongkat was given to Kwok and Vincent

            This is what i said: And the tongkat was given by mahathir

            This what you replied: I hentam mahathir….

            BY SAYING THE TONGKAT WAS GIVEN BY MAHATHIR, DID I HENTAM MAHATHIR? I JUST TELL THE TRUTH.

            I got this to say: STOP THE LIES

          • Servant of God says:

            You are deliberately missing my point.

            I said, yes, profit could be made by the government or its perbadanan, but not to maximize the profit. Just enough to cover expenses and maybe have some left over for investments. More than that, it could go against the interest of the rakyat.

            How much is just enough? Well, the PKNS before PKR came into power knew it well. People could buy affordable homes then. Now, not the case. And please, aku tau laa balance sheet perbadanan and state lain2.

          • Servant of God says:

            And I say to you, how you say something is just as important as what you say.

            The way you threw out that sentence “And the tongkat was given by mahathir”

            is exactly how Pakatoons do it. Damn disrespectful.

    • zam says:

      that in Penang, if the Malay swing is strong, Umno may win 17 Malay seats, and if MCA and Gerakan can win just four more seats, BN will regain Penang with a narrow margin …
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      You typical…just agree to your liking without credible rationale and disagree whatever those not to your liking….for so called “self proclaim intellect” i am really disappointed….I expected better than that la…

      • Anonymous says:

        You are worse. Accuse people when you yourself “just agree to your liking without credible rationale and disagree whatever those not to your liking….”

        You don’t even explain your accusation and wild statements.

        You may not be a “self proclaim intellect” because you are plainly not an intellect. i am not only disappointed but flabbergasted. I don’t just expect better, but get disgusted at you thinking you are better than others. When you are far from it.

        • zam says:

          Anonymous says:
          February 28, 2013 at 4:43 pm
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          Enjoy yourself blasting the keyboard as i am going to have fun and couldn’t be bothered by your rubbish anymore…..ha ha ha hu huh hu i am going to have a good rest…continue with your tooth digging job….

          • zam says:

            Anonymous says:
            February 28, 2013 at 4:43 pm is very pissed off/very mad/angry/tak puas hati….whatever ha ha ha ha…..i feel good……Ta ta

          • Servant of God says:

            “whatever ha ha ha ha…..i feel good……Ta ta”

            Of course you feel good. Inciting hatred is what Pakatoons do.

            They don’t win many people over to PR’s side, but damn do they make a lot of people angry.

            Which really beats the purpose of being a trooper, but what the hell right? Money’s money!

          • Anonymous says:

            Never mind he tata for now, I’m going to continue whacking him knowing that he’d come in here often.

            He’d feel good momentarily, he has not read the comments I wrote above during the last half hour or so when he was concentrating on the whackings on him at the latter part of the comment section in here. He’d feel nausea reading the reply to every comment he made at the beginning of this comment section.

            Or maybe he’d put on a muka tebal and pretend he’s not affected by the whackings.

        • zam says:

          nonymous says:
          February 28, 2013 at 4:49 pm
          You are worse. Accuse people when you yourself “just agree to your liking without credible rationale and disagree whatever those not to your liking….”
          ——————————————————-
          Show me which one of my statement considered agree just to my liking. I whacked both sides. Did you? ha ha ha Did you? ha ha ha did you?

          • zam says:

            Or maybe he’d put on a muka tebal and pretend he’s not affected by the whackings.
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            What may be? i am enjoying it……did you? ha ha ha
            enjoying your stupidity…

          • zam says:

            Of course you feel good. Inciting hatred is what Pakatoons do.
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            And you liar, where is my line inciting hatred that you mentioned? Please cut & paste……

          • Servant of God says:

            “And you liar, where is my line inciting hatred that you mentioned?”

            You see, from earlier on I felt there was something off about you. You claimed to be a BN supporter, but in saying things like “PR’s communication was effective” (which to me is a bloody lie), I concluded that you are actually a PR trooper.

            What does a PR trooper do? Incite hatred towards the government. Haven’t you been reading the news and blogs these past four years? So, so many of what PR troopers have said have been proven as false, sometimes without much effort.

            For instance, about two or three weeks ago, I came across this post somewhere… where a Pakatoon (= PR trooper) said along the lines of “if Thailand can have thousands of miles of highway without tolls, why can’t Malaysia? Answer: in Thailand there is no BN”

            This is huge lie. You can find a toll plaza even from suvarnabhumi airport to bangkok city. Yet, that Pakatoon happily posted that as truth.

            So, for me, Pakatoon = inciter of hatred.

            And you, sir, are a Pakatoon.

          • zam says:

            You see, from earlier on I felt there was something off about you. You claimed to be a BN supporter, but in saying things like “PR’s communication was effective” (which to me is a bloody lie), I concluded that you are actually a PR trooper.
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            Oh, by saying PR cmachinery are effective suddenly i became PR supporter? If i say that Khalid is a man and a father or a good father suddenly i am a Pr supporter? If I say that Anwar is a gay then suddenly i bacome BN suppoter is it?

            Come on use your brain lah….
            Being Bn supporter does not mean i cannot tell the truth…truth hurts issit? If i scold my kid does that mean i hate my kid. If i point his mistake, does that means i hate him? if i pointed his friend’s achievement which is better than him, does that means i love his friend more than him?

            Come on, have some sense of reasoning….

          • zam says:

            What does a PR trooper do? Incite hatred towards the government. Haven’t you been reading the news and blogs these past four years? So, so many of what PR troopers have said have been proven as false, sometimes without much effort.
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            This is out of argument. This is the different between you and me.

          • Servant of God says:

            “Being Bn supporter does not mean i cannot tell the truth…truth hurts issit?”

            What truth? What truth?

            Somewhere on this page you said that the garbage collection issue is just TV propaganda. Is that the truth?

            If that’s the truth, how come outside my apartment the garbage could be uncollected for days? If it’s the truth, how come there are so many others across the state who are suffering the same problem?

            You claim to speak the truth. But so many people in Selangor have proof, even right in front of their houses, that you are lying.

            BN supporter konon. Mengaku je laa penipu dari PR.

          • Servant of God says:

            “This is out of argument. This is the different between you and me.”

            Yeah, sure, believe what you want, mamat.

      • zam says:

        is exactly how Pakatoons do it. Damn disrespectful.
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        How should i put it then?

    • zam says:

      How can it be a manifesto when they keep saying what are said at election campaigns are not promises,
      ——————————————————————————
      They did not “keep saying” but that was only once through a poster of khalid saying that and the poster was put up by BN. don’t you read?…See how little little things you lied and tried to magnify things? this is a spin. Obviously referring to the line you said “they keep on saying”….they did not. Support BN with facts not lies. They had enough of similar statements on TV3.

      • Servant of God says:

        So, was the statement “Manifesto bukan janji” not proper summary of what Khalid & co had said?

        • zam says:

          Servant of God says:
          February 28, 2013 at 4:05 pm
          So, was the statement “Manifesto bukan janji” not proper summary of what Khalid & co had said?
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          i saw it and I did not deny it. What I did not agree is the Anon used the word “keep on saying”……………..

          I read well, did you? happy blasting your keyboard ha ha ha

          • Servant of God says:

            Yes, I read well. I wanted to clarify whether you agreed on the “Manifesto bukan janji”, because you were nitpicking on “keep on saying”. Smelled too much of a distraction move.

            Oh well. At least now zam has agreed that PKR had stated that “Manifesto bukan janji.”

            Whew! I’m glad we got that out of the way!

      • Anonymous says:

        You are picking on little things. “keep saying” is correct as others have also said the same. And I don’t have to show proof because you don’t.

        Even the once through a poster of khalid saying that is good enough. And who said the poster was put up by BN. What “don’t you read”? You are lying otherwise you’d show the proof.

        And what “facts not lies” do you have? And who is “They” that you said “had enough of similar statements on TV3″? You, your wife and children who you bombard with Opposition propaganda like you try to do here?

        • zam says:

          Yes, I read well. I wanted to clarify whether you agreed on the “Manifesto bukan janji”,
          ——————————————————-
          I said earlier, I wrote earlier that i saw it and i also said that PR claim that the banner was put up by BN people. True or false i don’t know. That’s not my argument. my argument is the Anon is magnifying the fact by saying “keep on saying”…whilst the PR has denied it and did not keep on saying it. they stopped. At least they stopped. i repeat, they did not “keep on saying”…..

      • zam says:

        He’d feel good momentarily, he has not read the comments I wrote above during the last half hour or so when he was concentrating on the whackings on him at the latter part of the comment section in here.
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        I did, both of you. And the more i read the more fun i had on enjoying reading clowns like you both ha ha ha give me some more…

    • zam says:

      But the average voters would have seen the simple facts of garbage collection, drainage cleaning and flash flood problems,
      ——————————————————————————
      These problems occurs everywhere and every states and as such doesn’t hold water to your so called analysis.

      • Servant of God says:

        You would do well to highlight that the problem is not as bad in other states.

        You would also do well to highlight that before PR came to power, that is, during BN rule, these weren’t even problems in Selangor. Compared to the widespread problem it is now…

        • zam says:

          You would also do well to highlight that before PR came to power, that is, during BN rule, these weren’t even problems in Selangor. Compared to the widespread problem it is now…
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          Even moron understand the term “widespread’ is all about TV propaganda. What do we called other than moron to describe that?

          • Servant of God says:

            Really?

            That horrible mess outside my apartment is TV propaganda? That stink I smell everytime I pass there is actually coming from the TV.

            Thank you zam for discrediting yourself.

          • Anonymous says:

            “Even moron understand the term “widespread’ is all about TV propaganda.” -

            Not true. Sensible people don’t understand it that way. Only morons and demented minds think it that way. I think you are both a moron and demented in your thinking.

            “What do we called other than moron to describe that?” -

            Describe you? I have just in an earlier reply to you described you as mentally handicapped.

      • Anonymous says:

        Who said “These problems occurs everywhere and every states”? Nobody says that other states have theose problems of the magnitude of Selangor. What news have you been reading? Rocket, Harakah and Suara Menipu Rakyat?

        • zam says:

          Describe you? I have just in an earlier reply to you described you as mentally handicapped.
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          This kind of lines are expected from you. Very predictable….well what to expect…ha ha ha

        • zam says:

          Who said “These problems occurs everywhere and every states”? Nobody says that other states have theose problems of the magnitude of Selangor. What news have you been reading? Rocket, Harakah and Suara Menipu Rakyat?
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          I live in Kuantan for 10 months and there is a water problem every now and then but not highlighted at all on TV…may be just once….after the flood.

      • Anonymous says:

        a big NO on that statement! i ve never experienced lalang growing in my longkang after living in selangor for the last eleven years EXCEPT since PKR took over!! I ve never had to keep rubbish for a week with maggots crawling into my house except since PKR took over!

    • zam says:

      But the average voters would have seen the simple facts of garbage collection, drainage cleaning and flash flood problems,
      ——————————————————————————
      These problems occurs everywhere and every states and as such doesn’t hold water to your so called analysis.

      Yes, the hardcore members and supporters of PKR, DAP and PAS will continue voting PR,
      —————————————————————————–
      Nope! A lot of hardcore PAS supporters are not going to vote for DAP especially the supporters of nassarudin Mat Isa and Hassan Ali. Wake up will you.

      • Anonymous says:

        Good that you realize “A lot of hardcore PAS supporters are not going to vote for DAP especially the supporters of nassarudin Mat Isa and Hassan Ali.” What “Wake up will you” do you mean? Grow up will you.

        • zam says:

          Good that you realize “A lot of hardcore PAS supporters are not going to vote for DAP especially the supporters of nassarudin Mat Isa and Hassan Ali.”
          ———————————————————
          That’s my point, I am not PR supporter. I give balance view and i am not bias and i won’t defend PR leaders if the fact is there. And I will defend BN leaders if the fact whacking them are false. Thats the difference between you both or you UMNO/BN supporters who works for the leaders whether paid or volunteeer. I don’t. i am independent. i don’t really declare myself as supporter and simply becamo pak turut…although I reserve my parliament vote for BN…and I said that again and again but you always have the narrow minded people alike to conclude that if anyone criticize the goverment woooooohe is anti goverment and PR supoorter…grow up…thats what i meant…..Enough fun for the day really…

          • Servant of God says:

            Hahahahahahaahah

            “Enough fun for the day really”

            You already implied that somewhere else on this page today, yet here you are.

            “That’s my point, I am not PR supporter. I give balance view and i am not bias”

            It just so happens you’re parroting the “TV3, Utusan, mainstream media” line, is it? Hahahaha that’s a good one!

            “And I will defend BN leaders if the fact whacking them are false.”

            Really? Despite your having written so much on this page, I noticed that what really jumped out was how you mentioned Tun M giving an expensive tongkat. Did you mention any of the wrongdoings of the PR government aside from what you responded to me? Please show me, and just might believe that you are not a pakatoon.

            Oh, just to save time, here’s a definition of “pakatoon” that I’ve typed earlier. Copy n paste, sorry, but it really fits you.

            “A Pakatoon is someone who is adamantly pro-Pakatan Rakyat, despite being unable to justify their position. Some are paid cyber troopers, some are doing it on their own free time.

            The thing is, pakatoons just cannot say why they are pro-PR. They can only say they are anti-BN. The best they could do is say things like “Yeah, BN used to be good, but now corruption, bla bla bla”.

            Their inability to say why they’re pro-PR stems from a fear of being asked “Are you sure PR did that? Can you show us proof?” Being unable to show any such proof, they have no choice but to try to cast doubt and suspicion on BN.

            Or, they could pretend to be pro-BN could while softly insinuating that its leaders have done great harm. Their favourite personalities to attack are Tun Mahathir and Taib Mahmud.”

          • Servant of God says:

            “although I reserve my parliament vote for BN”

            So who’s your DUN vote for? PR?

            I would really like to know what good they have done to deserve your vote. Please share.

            It would be so educational.

          • Anonymous says:

            No, that’s not your point. You talk as if you are a PR supporter. Even more than that at times. Making wild, unsubstantiated and unjustified allegations make you an Opposition bloke. They always do that kind of allegations.

            No, you don ‘t give a balanced view at all. You are biased especially when accusing not even explaining. And I haven’t seen you defend PR leaders and the facts are never there. You defend wildly, claim wildly, no proof, evidence or even justification.

            And where have you defended BN leaders?There you go, talk about defending BN leaders in one breath, accuse “UMNO/BN supporters who works for the leaders whether paid or volunteeer” in the next breath. Like that you want us to believe you are independent? Shit.

            It’s your business who you wanna vote but it’s my business to say that people don’t vote that way. Reserve Parliamnet vote for one party and DUN vote for another party and calling yourself not “pak turut”. You have no faith in yourself to even think that?

            People vote the party they believe in, because even if you vote an angel, if he doesn’t represent a party, he’s no use. No independent MP or ADUN can influence the making or repealing of laws that MPs and ADUNs are supposed to do…
            Or even vting a candidate from a non-popular party will grt you nothing – that party will become the Oppo and cannot cotribute much except the usual wild, unsubstantiated and unjustified allegations.

            You are so narrow minded and naive to think that we here do not tolerate dissent. We whack you because you dissent in very strange ways. Making wild, unsubstantiated and unjustified allegations is very much the trademark of the Opposition. So, if you do not want to be lumped into the Opposition group, change your method of dissenting in here. Otherwise, you need to grow up. And we are having a lot of fun whacking you for so long as you stick to your method of dissenting.

          • zam says:

            So who’s your DUN vote for? PR?
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            My DUN vote will go to PR if the candidate is from PAS but not if it is from PKR. My Parliament vote will go to BN definately coz I don’t think PR has the capability to rule. They will end up fighting among themselves for the next 5 years since all three are hungry for blood.

          • Servant of God says:

            “My DUN vote will go to PR if the candidate is from PAS ”

            Ahh, right. Pas.

            That party whose cravings for power gave DAP the courage to insult the name of my Creator.

            Whose Mursyidul Am had openly questioned a Firman Allah SWT? And insulted the birth of the Prophet SAW? And who said that Allah was like a samseng? And who is openly supporting a person who menyekutukan Allah SWT?

            Right.

            Wow. Such an educated choice.

    • zam says:

      The “Malay swing” to BN is strong, has begun even after 1-2 years of Pakatan rule
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      This is true if you just watch TV 1, 2, & 3 or perhaps Al-Hijrah oso…..ha ha get some credible facts…..even BN people will laugh at you.

      • Anonymous says:

        “This is true if you just watch TV 1, 2, & 3 or perhaps Al-Hijrah oso” -

        And what do you watch? TV Zimbabwe?

        “get some credible facts” -

        credible by whose standards? Surely not by your standards, coz you don’t have any, merely rattle off as you like, even thru your nose, and some would say thru your arse.

        “even BN people will laugh at you.” -

        No BN people will not laugh at what pro-BN people say in here. But they laugh at you until they see what you say is not funny any more. And I’ll try to laugh at as many comments you make as time permits.

        • Servant of God says:

          Don’t mind this zam. He actually has zero credibility himself.

          See, at 11:50, he said “BN supporter like me”.

          He said that he is a BN supporter. And now just look at him, parroting the old “TV3, Utusan, etc.” line like a hardcore 28th Floor fler.

          With that, how am I to believe what he is saying? How could ANYONE here believe him, for that matter? So I don’t, and I take a lot of comfort in knowing that despite his talent in spinning the facts, zam is just pissing a lot of people off.

          And that is a lot more valuable to BN than most people could imagine.

          • Anonymous says:

            I think he is a bit cracko. Maybe a lot cracko, coz I also notice he shifted his stand from time to time.

            Too busy whacking his nonsensical comments to state the instances here. He doesn’t bother justifying his comments anyway.

            But I’ll whack him as long as time permits. He cannot be allowed to say whatever he likes without being challenged or shitted upon.

          • zam says:

            Anonymous says:
            February 28, 2013 at 5:25 pm
            I think he is a bit cracko. Maybe a lot cracko, coz I also notice he shifted his stand from time to time.
            ————————————————–
            And this is the type of comment from a person who is out of argument and has got nothing to say but words like cracko and so on and all those rubbish. Admit it, you can’t take critics. Well enjoy banging the keyboard whole night and whack your head with it oso….just to get real. h ah ah…..eeeemmmmh

            Example of your out of argument:

            You said: tongkat was given to Vincent tan

            I said: Mahathir gave the tongkat

            You replied: I hantam mahathir…

            can’t you see you jump out of conclusion?…..

            Go and jump!…..Enjoy making fun of yourself for I wont read….too much time wasted arguing with your rubbish…you can have the last say and read it yourself and have a good laugh yourself…ha ha ha

          • Servant of God says:

            Laugh all you want, Pas supporter. You really have no idea who the joke’s on.

      • zam says:

        Did you mention any of the wrongdoings of the PR government aside from what you responded to me? Please show me, and just might believe that you are not a pakatoon.
        —————————————————————-
        I did. A lot and i will. Again if i have case. But i need time to dig them. i posted well, in other blogs oso somewhere in January. i promise i will. I whack Anwar good and proper. i even said i am not so concerned on who killed who or who banged who. perhaps i will post something tomorrow just to prove that I am totally against Anwar to be prime minister. Not hadi oso and not ant DAP leaders. I hate DAP. But sometimes i give credit ti what LGE did right or what karpal said right for example when he whacked Anwar.

        • Servant of God says:

          “what LGE did right”

          Ehhh, really? This one you must already know kan, tak payah nak refer2 yang dulu2 kan?

          So share with us.

          • zam says:

            What will happen if PR wins GE 13

            I think there will be chaos. And I really hope I am WRONG. I don’t wish to be right about what I think will happen. What I hope and what I think are two different things. Just like if Malaysia play football with Brazil, I hope Malaysia win but I think Malaysia will get whacked!

            First, let us look at Anwar. Remember when Anwar was brought in by Mahathir to join UMNO? He said he will change UMNO from within. But what happened is UMNO changed Anwar. Some of his ABIM gang joined him although quite a number of them disappointed with him and some of his supporters who were in UMNO before Anwar joined, put pressure on him to achieve their personal agenda and Anwar fumbled by playing to the tune of these warlords and hence challenged the important post in UMNO one by one up to the Deputy President. And when has was deputy President, the pressure keep on pressing him to become President since “Mahathir people” has been getting all the juices. So when Anwar became too strong, Mahathir “took care” of his warlords while Anwar fed his. And I leave it to your imagination how to relate that to corruption, nepotism, cronyism and all the …gasm. There is a saying; talk is cheap, but for politician, talk is never free and expensive. Its even more expensive if they want people to LISTEN.
            History may repeat itself. In the desperate quest of being the PM, or any high position in politics (in the ruling party) I was once told by a seasoned politician who was a friend of mine that is like one walking up a staircase. Each step, there is a toll, left and right and the higher the staircase, the higher the toll is. Before you pay the toll, you must say a pantun…..But not all toll are paid, some are on credit….accounts payable versus accounts receivable………and the book holder of accounts payable upon being rich will become account receivable in the books of the politician…….

            As we can see, this is happening even before PR took over government. Look at the party election of Keadilan. The game is equal to UMNO party election. People who joined Keadilan wanted something different from UMNO but Anwar most likely will change Keadilan to be just like UMNO or fumbled again to the quest of his warlords of ex-UMNO. The defeated UMNO members will join Keadilan. A large number of them for sure…. And these defected new Keadilan members post GE 13 election (assuming Anwar won) will create factions in Keadilan and will be the fierce warlords even against DAP and PAS. Anwar will end up paying his dues for the next 10 years. Look at LGE. One small association with ex-gangster is already a big political liability to him. Imagine Anwar. And to bring Anwar down when he is “nobody” surely will be much difficult when he is “somebody”. There will be a lot of casualties. There will be a lot of “assassinations” which I describe as the Guillotine period in my previous posting 2 weeks ago. And in the end (just like the French Revolution where the inventor died of the same Guillotine he invented), Anwar too will be “terminated” if not by the Rakyat, will be by the warlords in PAS or DAP. Or maybe terminated by the very own Keadilan members!! And that is only the chaos created by Anwar and Keadilan factor. I will continue the second, third, forth and fifth factor that will create the chaos in my later posting. And I hope I am wrong. I hope if PR wins, whoever should go to jail will end up in jail. PAS & DAP will remain clean at least as clean as now since they don’t have much opportunity to dirty it yet. I hope PR will be clean as we expected. I hope PR will be in harmony as we wanted them to. I hope PR will not associate with any corrupt leaders that may jump party. But I don’t think so. Similar to my hope Malaysia will beat Brazil in soccer.

          • Servant of God says:

            Hahahahahaahahaha

            See? When I asked what LGE did right, this zam terus kona baring, divert issue!

            Hahahahahahahahaha

            BN supporter konon! Baik kau tampal logo Pas kat dahi tuh.. zam oiiii

  4. Anon says:

    Never heard of any voter saying the government is good lately.
    Perhaps for those with handicapped brain who enjoys begging will agree with this government.

    • Tan Khai Beng says:

      Bread and butter comes first …not ducks , chickens and cows !

      • BSA says:

        ……INGAT JANGAN TAK INGAT !!!!!!!!!!!!
        ……SEMUA KEPIMPINAN PR SOKONG….
        ……MANIFESTO BUKAN JANJI…..
        ……TETAPI UNTUK TIPU RAKYAT SAHAJA…..

        SOKONG BN JANJI DITEPATI……..
        SOKONG BN JANJI DITEPATI……..
        SOKONG BN JANJI DITEPATI……..

    • Anon says:

      I’m believer in tit for tit for those who never care what others say don’t be rude in comments. Saying “handicapped brain who enjoys begging” sound like the DAP fellow who often says Malays are lazy and tongkat.

      He not admit that Chinese have been on tongkat since Menteri Larut Long Jaafar gave mining jobs to Chinese from Penang, some he gave mining land lease, a few he even lent money to open up mines so he could tax to build roads etc in his territory in 19th Century. Robert Kuok got sugar monopoly tongkat, Vincent Tan got easy-money lottery license tongkat, other Chinese get tongkat even until now. This fellow talk like that make him deserve this c&p that appear in many places:

      “He has a foul mouth and incorrigibly bad manners. He is descended from a mixture of races, including the non-Chinese races in China that history Professors have written about, the bad aspects of which manifest in him –

      Mongol (hugely polygamous Genghiz Khan invaders and colonizers of China in the 13th Century), Tungus, Turk, Tai, Miao, Tibetan, Manchu (invaders and colonizers embedding themselves in China for several hundred years, ruling until the 20th Century – from Manchuria, a foreign country until after World War II), Yueh, Yao, etc. And the hill tribes of southern China – the Cina Bukit.

      That’s why he is biadap and kurang ajar. Commenting without decorum and decency. Only he and his kind are like that – biadap (DAP Vice Chairman Tunku Aziz also said that of Lim Guan Eng when he bolted out of the party) and kurang ajar, the Cina Bukit kind.”

      • Anon says:

        Many professors, like who? You? Or You mean ” professors ” like Ridhuan tee, half past six professor?
        Oh, forgotten, Ridhuan tee is only associate professor, not true professor yet. That’s why is called half past six professor.

      • zam says:

        He not admit that Chinese have been on tongkat since Menteri Larut Long Jaafar gave mining jobs to Chinese from Penang, some he gave mining land lease,
        —————————————————————–
        This is not a “tongkat” in the same context. This is a synergy. The malays generally at that time do not have the skills and confortable with agriculture. Not a relevant argument on this.

        • Servant of God says:

          “This is not a “tongkat” in the same context. This is a synergy. ”

          Hahahahahahaahaha

          You think we are peons with Darjah Satu education ah?

          You obviously don’t know what a synergy really is.

          You can spin all you like, but the facts remain. Tongkat is tongkat, and the recipients have now forgotten their roots and their gratitude.

          • zam says:

            You obviously don’t know what a synergy really is.
            —————————————————
            Explain to me then the Tin Mining that was given by long Jaafar and long Ibrahim is not a synergy? And if you think it is a tongkat explain how it is similar to the context of tongkat in NEP we are talking about.

          • Servant of God says:

            That is cooperative effort, or cooperative development. You said above,

            “he gave mining land lease, a few he even lent money to open up mines so he could tax to build roads etc in his territory in 19th Century”

            That is joint develoment. I’ll give you an example. The Seri Maya condominiums on Jalan Jelatek was built on top of land owned by either DBKL or MPAJ, I can’t remember. Anyway, the executive I spoke to informed me that the landowner got the developer to build the vacant land into condos. Now that the units have been sold, the council have more people to tax.

            This is joint development. There’s nothing special to it.

            Synergy is when to collaboration of two or more parties create an output that is higher than the sum of the inputs. 2 + 2 = 5. It happens only when the parties involved get along extremely well and reap a yield beyond what was anticipated.

            A joint development is not a synergy, it is just working together. Was Larut a synergy between the members of the agreement? This is the first time I’ve heard of it, and I’m disinclined to think of it as such. It sounds too much like someone is throwing around bombastic words to win over impressionable people.

            Of course, if you can bring solid proof, then I might believe you.

            PROOF. Not what you think, but proof.

            Wow, you’ll get even more money replying to this one, huh?

          • Anonymous says:

            I don’t think he can reply and earn his RM1. He’d just say something else not related to topic, even to subject put to him. He’s always doing that.

            He knows not what proof is, what evidence is, even what justification and explanation is. He’d just blabber.

          • zam says:

            you obviously do not understand the context of the tongkat we are talking about. i rest my case.

          • Servant of God says:

            “you obviously do not understand the context of the tongkat we are talking about. i rest my case.”

            Yeah, way to go. Instead of really being the “explainer” type of person you were pretending to be, you copped out.

            Doesn’t matter. No one fell for your act in the first place.

      • zam says:

        Mongol (hugely polygamous Genghiz Khan invaders and colonizers of China in the 13th Century), Tungus, Turk, Tai, Miao, Tibetan, Manchu (invaders and colonizers embedding themselves in China for several hundred years, ruling until the 20th Century – from Manchuria, a foreign country until after World War II), Yueh, Yao, etc. And the hill tribes of southern China – the Cina Bukit.
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        Your paragraph on this is unnecessary and not relevant

        • Anon says:

          Ever heard of the right to throw shit back on face of those who try to put shit in here?

          Including you also who not commenting on the blog post but saying shit?

          • zam says:

            We are not talking about shit here, we are talking about politics. Don’t bring shit shit talk here..behave yourself.

          • Anon says:

            Shit talk deserve shit talk. Accuse only no justification is shit talk.

          • Anon says:

            Behave yourself? Who are you to say that? Yaou came here later than I, comments got whacked many times here, now want say behave yourself? Are you stupid, arrogant and tokong? Mebbe his kuncu? Tapi makan pucuk paku?

          • zam says:

            Anon says:
            February 28, 2013 at 1:19 pm
            Shit talk deserve shit talk. Accuse only no justification is shit talk.
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            This is a typical no-brain type of comments. No facts at all. I rest my case. Enjoy your shit.

          • Anonymous says:

            You got no case in the first place, did you. I’m inclined to also use the word shit and stupid, but I won’t … oops, I’ve said it. But I won’t say sorry.

        • Servant of God says:

          “the Cina Bukit.
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          Your paragraph on this is unnecessary and not relevant”

          Actually, I understood the need to show the lineage. It certainly explains much of the lack of courtesy and gratitude by the biaDAP flers.

          If you feel that it has no place here, then let me tell you that based on comments in previous posts, many readers disagree with you on this.

          • zam says:

            Anon says:
            February 28, 2013 at 1:22 pm
            Behave yourself? Who are you to say that? Yaou came here later than I, comments got whacked many times here, now want say behave yourself? Are you stupid, arrogant and tokong? Mebbe his kuncu? Tapi makan pucuk paku?
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            Is asking someone who starts a shit talk arrogant? and did I called you stupid? Who’s arrogant here? behave girl….say only necessary things…waste your time as you like, not mine.

          • zam says:

            comments got whacked many times here,
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            Or you are talking about yourself? Ha ha

          • Servant of God says:

            “Who’s arrogant here? behave girl….say only necessary things”

            How did you know this person is a girl?

            Or are calling the person “girl” just to insult this person?

            Does that mean that, for you, being female is a fault?

            I’m really curious here.

          • Anonymous says:

            What I remember is that you started the shit talk, you bloke calling yourself zam.

        • zam says:

          A joint development is not a synergy, it is just working together. Was Larut a synergy between the members of the agreement?
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          Well maybe synergy is not the correct word but it is not a “tongkat’ either.

          • zam says:

            comments got whacked many times here
            ————————————————
            I take it well, did you? behave.

          • zam says:

            Mebbe his kuncu? Tapi makan pucuk paku?
            ————————————————-
            And where is the fact of your comment above? Can i call it rubbish?

          • Servant of God says:

            How is it not a tongkat when the landowner himself gave loans to the developer?

            HOW???

          • zam says:

            How did you know this person is a girl?
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            SOG, i know lah but that’s for you to find out ha ha ha…

          • zam says:

            Does that mean that, for you, being female is a fault?
            ————————————————
            Absolutely no.

          • Servant of God says:

            “SOG, i know lah but that’s for you to find out ha ha ha”

            “Absolutely no.”

            See, Internet anonymity is quite a big thing. Websites in general don’t make it easy for blog visitors to view the IP addresses of other visitors.

            Yet, you claim to know the gender of this anonymous person. Either you are lying, in which case you are indeed using the female gender as an insult, or you can in fact check the identity of viewers, but you are not saying how.

            As a weak human, since I do not have any evidence to support the idea that you can indeed discover people’s identity online, I do not see any choice but to believe that you are lying. You might even be a hacker extraordinaire, but since you are not telling, I can only draw my own conclusions.

          • Anonymous says:

            “And where is the fact of your comment above?” -

            You got the cheek asking people for the fact when you provided none on numerous occasions. Cheeky bloke.

      • zam says:

        Robert Kuok got sugar monopoly tongkat, Vincent Tan got easy-money lottery license tongkat,
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        If you want to call these “tongkat’ its a different tongkat altogether, it’s a very expensive one…. and one of it given by Tun Mahathir….

        • Servant of God says:

          What about the tongkats in Penang, where land were sold for lower than its current value to developers?

          That there is a plain tongkat, and a very expensive one too. Why is it being practiced in Penang, the land of the Tokong, where everything is supposed to be Credible, Accountable and Transparent?

          Why?

          • Pakatan Puak Pembohong says:

            the tongkat analogy is all wrong. they don’t use tongkat. when they want something, they just rob. its called banditry. look at the logging activities in Kedah and Kelantan. no need to ask for permits. no need. just call in the bulldozers, they sapu everything. then they will say its for eco tourism. only their sucker supporters believe them. then when the mainstream media report on this they will say TV3 stesen UMNO/BN. all they can accuse others is call people UMNO/BN agents.

          • zam says:

            What about the tongkats in Penang, where land were sold for lower than its current value to developers?
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            If this is true and constitute an abuse of power then it should be taken to justice after all the MACC is at the convenience of BN disposal don’t they?

          • Servant of God says:

            “MACC is at the convenience of BN disposal”

            I believe they are an independent body. Someone correct me if I’m wrong on this.

            So if the “independent” anti-corruption people aren’t investigating the opposition as they should, why is it BN’s fault? After all, the opposition would have so much to gain if they could influence the MACC.

          • zam says:

            How to argue with this kind of bloke?
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            You are the one likes to argue on your own speculative opinion….i am not interested to argue with you, not worth. i just like to korek your faults…i have fun doing so since you are the “self proclaim intellect’….wah kah kah…

          • Anonymous says:

            “If this is true and constitute an abuse of power” -

            You denyng that Taman Manggis land was sold at lower than market value? Didn’t you read the spat between Lim Guan Eng, the challenge he made to Penang BN Youth to buy the land at twice he price he sold to the dental company?

            Then he reneged and kept quiet when accused that was because he could not produce the title of the land which was already sold to the dental company.

            What “taken to justice” are you taking about? What “after all the MACC is at the convenience of BN disposal” are you saying?

        • Anon says:

          And now you talk something else – hantam Mahathir pulak. No justification, explanation etc.

          Lu Anwar kind ka? Tara principle kind. Hak Melayu pun mahu jual. Agama Islam pun mahu jual. Saying Melayu free on religion like daughter say. Bontot pun boleh, apa pun boleh. No end to your nosense, kepala taruk kaki flers.

          • zam says:

            Anon says:
            February 28, 2013 at 1:19 pm
            Shit talk deserve shit talk. Accuse only no justification is shit talk.
            ————————————————-
            Mahathir is relevant cause we are talking about the tongkat you said was given to Vincent…ha ha ha eat your own words and shit..

          • zam says:

            Lu Anwar kind ka? Tara principle kind. Hak Melayu pun
            ————————————————
            This is example of not relevant without brain. Any relevant to the Tongkat? Ha ha guna otak sikit la..
            Did you say anything about Anwar & Tongkat?

          • Anonymous says:

            How to argue with this kind of bloke? Since he is not worth arguing on, so just whack him lah.

            He also has not said anything substantive or has any bearing on the blog post above.

          • zam says:

            Anon says:
            February 28, 2013 at 11:57 am
            And now you talk something else – hantam Mahathir pulak. No justification, explanation etc.

            Lu Anwar kind ka? Tara principle kind. Hak Melayu pun mahu jual. Agama Islam pun mahu jual.
            ———————————————–
            Anyone who saw the video on what Nurul said and her explanation would understand the context and it doesn’t take much of intellect to digest and yet you twisted to your convenience. What a disgrace…..if you want to present an argument don’t follow PAS style of twisting facts…be rationale whichever side you are. Don’t criticize for the sake of supporting BN. people like you make the fence sitter hate BN for cheap propaganda. You are making BN losing votes.

          • zam says:

            Bontot pun boleh, apa pun boleh. No end to your nosense, kepala taruk kaki flers.
            ————————————————–
            And this is unnecessary rubbish…..come on..

          • Servant of God says:

            zam,

            Tun M is relevant to many dicussions concerning Malaysia, since he has contributed so much to the country’s growth.

            I believe that the point 11:57 was trying to make was that, for someone who’s pretending to be a BN supporter (as you said somewhere else on this page), in suddenly throwing Tun M’s name into the discussion, apropos of nothing, you’re behaving so much like a Pakatoon.

            Granted, right now you’re not spewing vitriol like a rabid biaDAP dog who had swallowed dementia-inducing pills, but the resemblance is surprisingly strong.

          • zam says:

            Anon says:
            February 28, 2013 at 11:57 am
            And now you talk something else – hantam Mahathir pulak. No justification, explanation etc.
            ————————————————–
            I said the Tongkat was given by mahathir to Vincent Tan which is your statement at the first place. Where did hentam mahathir here? You are obviously dreaming…

          • zam says:

            I believe they are an independent body. Someone correct me if I’m wrong on this.
            ————————————————-
            Technically may be yes but in reality wah kah kah…don’t be so naive….open up your eyes…ears….and get back to reality will you? Come on…..any investigation on najib? is there any initiation at all? don’t talk about charging in court…

          • Anonymous says:

            “Mahathir is relevant cause we are talking about the tongkat you said was given to Vincent…” –

            I don’t see the connection. What are you trying to say? You can’t even explain? Instead accuse only? Are you handicapped, mentally deficient?

            Instead you end that comment with the words”ha ha ha eat your own words and shit..” That shows that you are mentally handicapped.

          • Anonymous says:

            “Don’t criticize for the sake of supporting BN. people like you make the fence sitter hate BN for cheap propaganda. You are making BN losing votes.”

            This are the usual words used by the Pakatan goons. They usually have no arguments, or, when they get banged on what they say, they’d come out saying those. Pathetic.

      • zam says:

        He is descended from a mixture of races, including the non-Chinese races in China that history Professors have written about, the bad aspects of which manifest in him –
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        You are obviously good at this kind of comments…keep it up girl…how disappointing…

        • zam says:

          Servant of God says:
          February 28, 2013 at 3:21 pm
          zam,

          Tun M is relevant to many dicussions concerning Malaysia, since he has contributed so much to the country’s growth.
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          I never deny his contributions to malaysia and i respected the good things he has done. Even Saddam Hussein has done few good things for iraq. but the facts remain that he gave the so called tongkat to Vincent Tan. displaying a fact does not mean I hate the person. everyone make mistakes and so do Tun Mahathir despite all the good things he has done. Supporting BN on the other hand does not mean you have to condone the wrongs. Doing that you are just “Pak Turut”. Abdullah badawi criticize mahathir but that does not mean he supports PR. Simple to digest isn’t it? Wrong are wrong.

        • Servant of God says:

          “You are obviously good at this kind of comments…keep it up girl…how disappointing…”

          Disappointing? Far from it. You are just trying to lessen the bite of that comment by throwing in a powerful word, “disappointing.”

          • zam says:

            Disappointing? Far from it. You are just trying to lessen the bite of that comment by throwing in a powerful word, “disappointing.”
            ————————————————-
            There you go, putting words at your own convenience out of your own illusion I suppose…speculating bla bla bla….typical of you.

          • zam says:

            You are just trying to lessen the bite
            ————————————–
            Bite/ Thats your terminology not mine. i don’t bite and don’t come here to bite like you did. bite your own finger will you?

          • Servant of God says:

            The bite of the message laa samdol.

            Haiyaa, now pretend to not understand laa pulak.

          • Anonymous says:

            Yeah, this bugger often does that. Especially when he is losing arguments. Pretend don’t know, don’t understand and muka selambe aje. It’s called kulit tebal.

        • zam says:

          I believe they are an independent body. Someone correct me if I’m wrong on this.
          ———————————————————
          I give a better example, any initiation or investigation on Taib mahmud? The basis to start investigation? Oh comeon…everywhere lah even the blinds and the deafs knew it…..

          • Servant of God says:

            “The basis to start investigation? Oh comeon…everywhere lah”

            The same thing for Anwar Ibrahim. There are so many ways that he and his cronies could be investigated for corruption, etc.

            Yet, he still walks a free man.

            MACC is not such the tool for a vengeful so-called corrupt government as you’re insinuating, is it?

      • zam says:

        Vincent Tan got easy-money lottery license tongkat,
        ———————————————————–
        In case you forgot what you wrote, i remind you that it is your statement and i reinforce them by saying that was given by mahathir. And you said i hentam mahathir? you are good and very good I can say in putting words in other peoples mouth….think before you jump again will you?Think…and behave oso…

        • Anonymous says:

          There you go, saying you reinforce the statement by saying that was given by mahathir. Who asked you to reinforce? Why did it need reinforcing?

          When it was not asked and the need for it to be reinforced was not there, surely you were taken as menghentam Tun Dr Mahathir.

          That may not be dissent, but even your way of making a statement is weird. Uncalled for, unasked reinforcing and such. What’s the matter with you? Defective manners? Funny ways of talking?

          When people refer to the older statesman as Tun Dr Mahathir, you just call him “mahathir”, not even a capital letter on his name. Isn’t that not an Opposition manners? Or lack thereof? Isn’t that what made you get lumped into the Opposition camp?

      • zam says:

        Commenting without decorum and decency.
        ———————————————–
        As if you do have those…pleaseeeeee

    • Servant of God says:

      Of course you haven’t heard anything. How can you, when you been reading 10 year old newspapers.

      • Anon says:

        hahaha, 10 year old newspapers. Rocket, Harakah and Suara Keadilan Rakyat ah?

        • zam says:

          hahaha, 10 year old newspapers. Rocket, Harakah and Suara Keadilan Rakyat ah?
          ———————————————————
          Comments of a typical loser than ran out of argument…

          • Servant of God says:

            11:20′s line of speech might not have been the most eloquent, but it’s quite spot on. The publications named have zero credibility as far as many people here are concerned. They shoot themselves in the feet too often.

            So many issues, but my favourite so far is how they managed to get hundreds of thousands of people into Merdeka Stadium.

            Yeah, that’s credible right there.

          • Servant of God says:

            Sorry,

            “They shoot themselves in the feet too often.”

            is referring to the publications.

          • Anonymous says:

            It’s not hundreds of thousands in Stadium Merdeka, it was 1 million, hahaha.

            And running out of argument in saying so? That’s why I said about the mental defect thing this bloke is suffering from.

    • zam says:

      I have to concur with you on this. We ask most people on the streets most of them are not happy while some of the “most’ people have no choice but to vote BN. Those who were happy perhaps are UMNO people only. Even MCA grassroots and MIC (this party almost self destruct) are not happy. And to add, even some UMNO members are not happy with the government.

      Talking about Selangor for instance, Bn have been doing their propaganda non stop on the flaws in Selangor but those are too small compared to Khir toyo’s time and in fact all the previous Selangor MB. The Indians & the Chinese in Selangor have long abandoned BN and generally the malays now are happy with Khalid. The few demos about khalid and PR flaws on TV are not the real picture of the Selangor rakyat in general….some UMNO branches in selangor are almost gone! Not functioning at all…Unlike previous Mb of selangor, khalid spent very little time on politiking since he is a reluctant politician but an administrator. And the fact he remains selangor MB despite fierce objection from Azmin is because Anwar and all other component parties wants him to be MB. little flaws here and there but very much better than khir Toyo for a comparison. Khir Toyo’s corruption is just one of the few big things in selangor that have bben swept under the carpet all this while including the sand mining issue.

      • Pakatan Puak Pembohong says:

        and you are here doing the propaganda work for PR. I know your style. you make the same baseless accusations again and again and you hope they will stick. yes they do, but your propaganda only works on PR obsessed blokes. sane, rational people know who they are going to vote for.
        reject PR
        vote BN
        save Malaysia.

        • ASB says:

          ……INGAT JANGAN TAK INGAT !!!!!!!!!!!!
          ……SEMUA KEPIMPINAN PR SOKONG….
          ……MANIFESTO BUKAN JANJI…..
          ……TETAPI UNTUK TIPU RAKYAT SAHAJA…..

          SOKONG BN JANJI DITEPATI……..
          SOKONG BN JANJI DITEPATI……..
          SOKONG BN JANJI DITEPATI……..

        • zam says:

          and you are here doing the propaganda work for PR. I know your style. you make the same baseless accusations again and again
          ———————————————————
          Show me which accusation i made is baseless…Please.

          • Anonymous says:

            Hahaha, when it comes to your turn being accused, you asked for proof, eh? What demented thinking.

          • zam says:

            Anonymous says:
            February 28, 2013 at 2:59 pm
            Hahaha, when it comes to your turn being accused, you asked for proof, eh? What demented thinking.
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            Even a standard 6 pupil is can understand i am not asking for proof, you want detail proof you go the court. I just aksed for which accusation that I made was baseless so i can provide the basis of it. Read properly will you and stop dreaming…

          • Anonymous says:

            Now you are playing on semantics. Asking “Show me which accusation i made is baseless” is not asking for proof? You are now entering the realm of gila.

            Me no more argument? But you have not put out an iota of an argument. Now accusing I am dreaming. WTF.

          • Servant of God says:

            zam,

            Despite being annoyed with your duplicity, I must say that I am glad you’re speaking out here.

            The more you post, the more people hate PR. I really think this is true. Despite your claim to being a BN supporter, something is just way off laa. And, you’re just as prolific as Lord Jim (aka Jimi Haiwan), and maybe just as inconsistent.

            Did you know Lord Jim? He was quite hated. Reviled even. Oh well.

    • zam says:

      For Servant of God since you asked for it – This is what i posted in January in MT, FMT and my FB
      I am not a Pakaton as you think. I have my own opinion.

      First, view the political scenario from a helicopter view right down to the earth where you are standing and then right from where you are standing right up on a helicopter.

      From a helicopter point of view few thousand feet above you can see two choices. Obviously PR or BN. What’s the difference between the two? From this distance we can’t see anybody’s face or anybody’s shit or anybody’s baggage (be it murder or sodomy etc). What we can see are two parties. PR and BN. Both are trying to resolve the same big issues (and a handful of petty ones) expected by some majority and some minorities, am I right? No difference in ideology. What about method of resolving them? More or less it looks the same. Meaning that, What PAS is fighting for is silently blessed by a lot of UMNO members while what DAP is chanting is silently (and sometimes openly) whined by MCA and so do what Hindraf are screaming are shouted by MIC explicitly or implicitly. Whoever wins its going to be the same approach and the same issues will prolong until the next election, don’t you think so? Look at how PR or BN trying to resolve the “Allah” word issue or some other Islam related issues. Look at how both trying to resolve the “Malay rights” issue. Look at how both trying to resolve the issues of the minorities in East Malaysia and West Malaysia. PR may not be a component of few “race based” parties unlike BN comprised of MCA, MIC and UMNO and others. But DAP in reality represents Chinese voice (or non-Malay, non-Muslim, atheist, agonist, socialist, LB……g tist and the list goes on… ) while PKR appears to be representing moderate or liberated Malay voice and PAS represents to some term it as Islamic fundamentalist. (What’s wrong being fundamental in what you do anyway?)These fractions are also in BN. These fractions are also in UMNO and from helicopter view; it will be resolved with the same approach whoever up there will be. The music (NOISE) is the same so do the dance and the lyrics eventually. Unless there is a coalition that puts religion aside, ethnic issues aside and totally focus on national agenda like an enterprise similar to what Singapore did, then there is a difference. But Singapore could. We can’t for 1,000 reasons that we knew. At least not the next 20 years.

      Now let’s bring down the helicopter lower to 1,000 feet above the ground where we can see the faces of the leaders. We can see Najib with a lot of baggage written all over his face (forehead and on the head too lately…). So do Anwar, obviously more. So, what is the difference? Both are blackmailed by their own baggage isn’t it? hence how could they be effective? But, do we have a choice other than them from today to the election date? NO! It’s either Anwar or Najib although off course some wants Hadi Awang later on, dream on….Off course to have the likes of Kit Siang would be worse than a dream. It will be nightmare……Can Anwar take the pressure at or from the top? Sure he looks good pressuring from below and from the back all this while but being pressured by the likes of Hadi, Kit Siang or worst still Karpal from the back….can one survived every time by saying “It wasn’t me!”, It wasn’t mine!, It wasn’t him! It was then, but it wasn’t now…like that oso got? Cute! This is oredi cannot… In music industry, Shaggy surely make millions with those three words but in politics?

      Assuming its Anwar and Pakatan, don’t you think he will be busy the next five years resolving the feud within the party? What will happen to the country then? What happen to the many different reasons of the people who vote the PR? Not only that among PR party leaders but also among their members ibarat “tidur sebantal tapi mimpi lain lain”…Some just want to see Najib go to jail or Rosmah go to jail. Some wants this person charged in court and that person charged with murder, bribery and etc. Well, assuming that happens within 5 years, then what? And assuming the next 5 years after election is to do “housekeeping”. Assuming the house is cleaned up then what? When all the orgasm of shiok sendiri goes down the drain, then what? Even in Selangor Anwar almost cannot control Azmin and Khalid Ibrahim’s feud. Then what? DAP and PAS feud, DAP internal feud and PAS internal feud or before that, the distributions of minister post….oh my …Anwar will be busy resolving it till the next election. For all we know, PAS & DAP will gang up to put Anwar into prison first….Then PAS & KEADILAN gang up to put Karpal or LGE into prison….remember the end of French revolution? Everyone got their head chopped off the Guillotine…. Not to mention all the promises made to all sorts of fractions. Then the issues between PAS and DAP and then the issue of various races within PKR. Eventually PKR will split into three fractions of Malay, Chinese and Indians don’t you think so? and the compromise would be similar to what is happening in BN now, don’t you think so? So, what’s the difference? Or let Selangor, Penang, Kelantan and Kedah remain under PR. Let the opposition remain a “whistleblower” and remain strong while BN resolve all the issues.

      By the time issues are resolved, the PR get exhausted or by the time PR exhausted, issues are resolved. Either way Rakyat can still end up winners. Let Sarawak and Sabah save the day for BN and that will make BN feed the Sarawakian and the Sabahan better until the next election. Isn’t that what the Sabahan & Sarawakian wants? At least the next 5 years for what they deserve the last 30 years.

      If PR wins, are the goodies going to the people first or to the warlords of the Sabahan and Sarawakian first? And while Anwar is busy with all those do you think the defeated (but still strong BN people) will just watch? Imagine…..And the casualties? Are you ready? You want the best for yourself or for your leaders? We have the right of independent opinion so we do have the choice of being non-partisan don’t we?

      Assuming that is resolved to the level of what BN has achieved now. But how long will it takes? If BN took more than 50 years to bring it to current level, how many years do you think PR could? Do you think the mentality of the Malays and Muslims in Pakatan has taken a big change? Or it is still similar to what those in BN? Or do you think the mentalities of the “champions” with the likes of Karpal and Kit Siang or even Hadi Awang will moderate as it seems? Or a new Maverick such as….emerge?

      Assuming the above is also taken care within 10 years, then what? Will the government be free of scandals and corruption? Given the compromise and “simply take in fractions” attitude of Anwar (isn’t that political fornication?) A bigger pay out seems imminent or else the ruling leader will be ousted by the burning desires of the greeds behind them. Do we form a new party called ABU Baru or anything but PR then? Like Zaid Ibrahim foolishly tried to do? Do you think the PAS people will be so accommodating like now? Do you think Anwar will be very accommodating as it seems? Do you think Lim Kit Siang will be accommodating as it appears now? Are we putting a cat, a dog, a Mickey-Mouse and a Donald Duck in one cage after all? And the kwek-kwek here and a kwek-kwek there, kwek here kwek there? And a woof-woof here and a meow-meow there everyday? Are we going to end up being in the state of“ Belum sempat lena, ayam sudah berkokok”?

      Now, from where we are standing. Does our self interest precede the national interest? Is whether I have a pay rise and earning opportunities or the desire of seeing Najib goes on trial and go to jail is higher? Which one is more important?

      From where you are standing, give a vote to whoever you wish and then go up 5,000 feet above the ground. Is it going to change what you really want? Or is it going to get worst?

      So, do we want a change or we want to punish? Are we clear on this?
      If we want change, we can change the way BN does things without having to change the government don’t we? And it is changing since Tun Abdullah resigned don’t you think so? Or you want a total change of 360 degrees? But will that happen if PR wins? Get real will you? Are we going to focus on our strength and work on our weakness or find our weakness and try to eliminate it overnight? Some idealist personal wish may come thru when some identities will be punished but will all be punished? Money will start talking (kwang! Kwang! Kwang!) whilst the bull shit runs….Will there be no cover ups or pay-outs? And cover ups and pay outs involve 100 lies going in motion compounding to 1,000 lies. Politicians will start telling lies as if it’s the truth and eventually they too will forget which one they tell the truth and which one are lies…. What do we do then? How do we deal with these lies then? Perhaps Malaysia Today and Malaysia Kini will evolve to Malaysia Then, Malaysia Yesterday and Malaysia Dulukala with critics crying over spilled milk…How long will the court cases go on? To political solicitors, that may sound good business but how about national agendas? How about drafting new policies and policy changes? How about time (and money) to spend to change all the 1Malaysia propaganda to “whatever” Pakatan propaganda? What about the amount of resources to be spent by those enterprises and individuals to “bodek” the new propaganda cry?

      That’s from where we are standing. Is your personal agenda above national agenda? Is seeing someone prosecuted for killing Altantuya more important or ensuring our needs and wants less important? Ask Anwar, is winning the election and becoming the PM more important or disassociate himself with the corrupt leaders of Sarawak? Can he shut the door out of Taib Mahmud easier than BN could later on? Can he shut out Tun Mahathir? Or will he get more vocal with the apanama here and apa-nama there, and depa lagutu depa laguni? And saya dok kata dah…..Well Tun is fit for the purpose he is now. If nobody listens, he himself admitted that he is no British Advisor……

      Anwar is good as the no 1 pressure group. But certainly not as PM, in fact none of the PR leaders, tell me who? If DAP thinks Anwar is not fit for the purpose and PAS thinks LGE is not fit for the purpose and DAP/KEADILAN thinks Hadi is not fit for the purpose the fact is none of them!! And if you do agree with that and yet still vote for PR, using Anwar is what it is all about in DAP and PAS agenda isn’t it? Knowing that all of you are also being used!! The fact is, it’s a big political or…g, fornicating each other!!

      To me, PR is effective and good for the nation as strong opposition but not good enough and will do more harm than good if given the power at federal level.
      Is PR fit for the purpose? What’s the price we are willing to pay from where we are standing? You can’t be wrong for your own reason whoever you vote for. How could anyone tell you that national interest is above your current needs or vice versa? Do Anwar and YOU have common needs and wants? Or any of the PR supporters to yours?…look at people behind Anwar and people behind Najib? Are these people behind Anwar going to be the same artist like the ones behind Najib now? Or, will there be more stand up comedian? I prefer Harith Iskandar alone on stage. PAS is authentic on their own without DAP and KEADILAN.
      So, when I vote this coming election, which is going to be my sixth time, I will ask this, what is there for me and my family, and then followed by a series of other questions which may include who goes to jail and who actually banged who’s ass…. But will all the curiosity more important than my first concern? Up to what extend you put your family first (by not risking their future) above anything else?

      The questions are yours and the answers are yours for you to take exclusive ownership. We may have different reason. For those who have Lynas plant at their backyard I can empathize………vote for opposition. But can PR resolve the issue or blow it out of proportion instead? Are you “game” for the dynamics of it? There is a hidden factor behind Lynas whereby even PR cannot resolve. Not that simple.

      Or will it be like the story of weapon of mass destruction in Iraq which turns out to be a big bluff? So, it depends where you are standing right now. Its either you vote from 5,000 feet above or from where you are standing.

      If I am residing in Pulau Chondong, my vote is without doubt for Tuan Guru Nik Aziz Nik Mat. If I am in JB however, it will be definitely YB Shahrir Samad and if I am in Ijok perhaps it will be YB Khalid Ibrahim for the DUN. These people are clearly there for a reason, not a season. But my Parliament vote will no doubt go to BN.

      • Anonymous says:

        Aaaaaaaaaa, now he’s letting the cat out of the bag – he blogs in MT, FMT and FB (ZamYahaya), yet claiming to be independent, not bias, etc. MT = Malaysia ToDay.com, the clearly Opposition blog, not RPK’s Malaysia Today. And he says he is not Pakatoon.

        The 50 plus year old with 5 children, his wife working but not him as he presumably stays at home looking after the kids and having a lot of time blogging. Claiming to have a “Master degree” and a candidate PhD, which, he said, can be checked by speaking to the Minister of Education himself, not to the Ministry. And insisting we enquire with the Minister by referring to him as “Zam”, implying a pally relationship with the Minister. And that he knows MB Kelantan, Nik Aziz. Indications of illusion of grandiosity there – high class, Minister-level social position, one of the symptoms of psychological disorder. Now also seen in the above long and exhaustive comment, blabbering whatever, in what he’d feel as an expert analysis of the political situation in the country.

        And yet, despite being requested, he did not give the name of the University where he got his first degree and his “Master degree”, not knowing that degree verification is usually done with the Universities concerned, not with the Ministry – and certainly not with the Minister – of Education.

        And he claimed to be a PhD candidate in an Islamic banking-related University with the Bank Negara Governor as Vice Chancellor or something. Yet somewhere in his numerous comments he talked about having done an Accountancy Diploma course in quaint premises in KL Bukit Bintang area, working in a bank thereafter.

        And he has been creating havoc, hijacking the blog discussion in here. Over 200 comments now, maybe half of them his. Never before.

      • Servant of God says:

        TL;DR;NFG

        That’s “Too Long, Didn’t Read, No Fucks Given”

      • rico says:

        i’d pick murderer over sodomiser, anytime!

  5. Stoney says:

    Interesting analysis. But it remains to be seen whether DAP will retain control of Penang or not.

    Talk on the ground is that local DAP warlords aren’t to happy with LGE’s autocratic style of governance. There may be sabotage from within.

    The NGOs and conservationists aren’t too happy with the state government’s lack of transparency, especially in the award of “under-sea tunnel connecting to the mainland and 2 other highways which will cut through forest reserve” to one China company. No consultation with the locals on such project.

    The middle-class are also not too happy with lack of affordable housing and lack of enforcement on the state government to developers. This is made worst by congestion in city roads. Foreigners and outsiders have been enjoying the real estate boom all to themselves. The locals are left high and dry.

    With factories moving away to mainland China and neighbouring Kulim, Kedah, this also pose a problem to the locals into finding jobs. State government isn’t creative enough to draw in investment. The locals are now comparing LGE with Tun Dr Lim Chong Eu.

    Penang is there for the taking. Indians and Malays have completely abandoned Pakatan Rakyat in Penang. Less than 100 seats are filled everytime ceramah politik is organized. Chinese are keeping mum on their choice. But signs of resentment towards DAP are already showing up. On the other hand, local folks warm up to BN walkabout in DAP stronghold as opposed to 3 years ago. The locals have seen Teng Chang Yeow as a formidable alternative to the present CM.

    • Chaptokam says:

      DAP will lose control of Penang as theres infighting between the Local DAP and Imported DAP …and between DAP and PKR . PAS will be a washout this time or cleaned out !

    • Anon says:

      But BN’s ceramahs were always filled with people who got there by buses.
      Just wonder where they shipped these people from. Don’t think the locals need to take luxury coaches to go to the ceramahs which are normally within few km from their home.

      • Chaptokam says:

        What about PR ceramahs ? same story la ..just like Bersih all paid to attend !

        • Just an old timer says:

          No lah they go using PLKN buses what? Remember when they were having their convention in Penang last year and the computer made an idiotic mistake.
          Supposed to be 2000+ delegates and only 1000+ can make it. Doesn’t it show us something?

      • Anon says:

        What about Anwar’s specially made aircon bus? Won’t take supporters to DAP ceramah ha?

        PKR Penang Chief Mansor already said Guan Eng “arrogant, cocky and tokong”, want to take PKR seats, want to put more candidates at PRU13 than they did at PRU12, ha?

        PKR Chua Jui Ming and Dr Boo fight in Johore still on, correct or not? PAS also already said the party with most seats won will be PM if PR reach Putrajaya. Will also put more candidates. So, many cases of PR component parties fight each other at PRU13? I like that.

      • zam says:

        yes, few km from their home but the public transport were lousy in rural areas and in kelantan, terengganu and most parts of pahang, the public bus is only up to 7 pm.

  6. Chaptokam says:

    Today you can whack Lim Guan Eng without being whacked back unlike the 2 years after 2008 where you wud get physically whacked if one were to just pass negative comments about him . He has lost a lot of following as more and more of his bullshit is expose . I never agree with Tan Sri Micheal Yeoh whi is considered a armchair political analyst or politician or whatever .

  7. linpehkong says:

    Sincerely hope the Chinese community will wake up and not support the party that is all talk and disruptive to society — biaDAP. They have done nothing for the Chinese except cause problems. If biaDAP youth fight for a cause for the Chinese what do you think will happen – UMNO youth will have no choice but to fight for the Malays. If they will stop running their stupid mouth, then Chinese leaders in the establishment will have a chance to find some workable solution with Malay leaders. Example Biadap have been shouting about Merdeka U for a long time. Without shouting MCA managed to get UTAR going.

    • Pakatan Puak Pembohong says:

      one thing the DAP has done for the Chinese community is to brainwash them into thinking that PR will win GE13. yes this is absurd but it is true. for them the DAP is their savior.

      • ani says:

        what detergent did they use ?……i can use it to clean those oldman whose brain are in the kepala lutut……for saying we the recipient of BR1M as animals

    • Anon says:

      Of course DAP members and followers never realize those. They are anti-Malay and anti-Islam. They caused the race riots of 1969. Google “13 May 1969: A Tragedy, by National Operations Council, October 1969″ and the details of what anger-making, seditious and heart-paining words and acts they said and did are there.

      Their so-called Malaysian Malaysia slogan very bad. Want equality without admitting the Special Position of Malays and Bumiputeras of Sabah and Sarawak. Malaysia never really peaceful as long as they have that slogan. They tried change that to Middle Malaysia some time back. But the rakyat showed them the Middle Finger.

      DAP must throw away that so called Malaysian Malaysia slogan for ever if they want Malay support. Be reasonable people, take citizenship right and admit the Malays and Bumiputeras have that Special Position. Also the Ketuanan Melayu like Agong appoints the PM, Malay Rulers appoint the MBs, etc. British said it was there since day one. They asked the Malay Rulers when they first came and wanted trading posts in this country.

      • Anon says:

        Yes, that’s the way, Anon 11.12am @ PPP. show your true colours. Be a man. Don’t be a hypocrite!
        If this are the things you are concern and fighting for, tell everyone!
        why hide behind the sheep skin and trying to portray you are a nice guy who share the common goal with people here who advocate moderate approach to managing the country.
        Ketuanan melayu is out of time. Nobody is tuan except yourself.

        • Pakatan Puak Pembohong says:

          now that the fee’s been raised to RM1 you have become so active. yes I know. I know you needed the money. lunch is just around the corner. yes its now 11.35am. still have the time to post 2, 3 more comments. that should buy you a fancy lunch package. and then you can always come back in the afternoon, post, maybe 5, 6 more comments and then, maybe, just maybe, you think to yourself, another 5, 6 more comments and you have RM12, that should set you up for dinner at a fancy restaurant. ah yes. oh by the way, remember to return as Joe Black after lunch. you are kinda, predictable.

          • Anon says:

            PPP, god is watching you. You can bullshit all your way, the reality will set in one day.
            Say whatever you want, just remember you are accountable for all your good and bad at your akhirat.

          • Servant of God says:

            1:27 pm

            You still haven’t answered me from the previous post.

            Are you on God’s no-watch list? If yes, how did you know this? Did an angel come in person to hand you the memo?

        • Servant of God says:

          Who are you calling PPP? And the written report is there for all to see, so why are you denying what has happened?

          You are offering us nothing new or substantial to change our minds. If you do have proof that DAP plays a huge role in building unity and peace in this country, please present it here.

          Or, failing that, you could answer me why your biaDAP leader asked that non-Muslims should be able to use “Allah” in their holy books. And why did ashtray-head choose to announce it on Christmas, of all times?

          Answer this to my satisfaction, and you will surely win my support for PR this GE13.

          I await your reply.

          • Pakatan Puak Pembohong says:

            SoG,

            after he’s devoid of excuses in calling me other names, he will revert back to his usual MO of calling you as PPP.

          • Anon says:

            And calling everybody else as one and same guy. He’s a mad fler. Mostly alone, so want to show that we are also 1-2 only whacking him here. He should know he been whacked by 4-5 already this morning.

        • zam says:

          Anon 11.12am @ PPP.
          ———————
          This one is woman lah…

          • Anon says:

            Now wat is this fler talk? He the same as that Anon fler? Accuse many of us here as being one and the same fler?

            This one no need to ask permission – I just say this bloke is stupid.

        • Anonymas says:

          “Nobody is tuan except yourself”

          holy crap, is that anarchy

          meaning no need for cops, teachers, parents, politicians, kings because you are ‘tuan’

          wow, in the age of japanese occupation, such ballsy people like you could’ve lead us against the japs

          you’re born in the wrong age

        • Anon says:

          Wat talk you Anon 11:26 am?

          Wat true colours, wat Be a man, Don’t be a hypocrite?
          Then say “If this are the things you are concern and fighting for, tell everyone!” Wat got meaning one?

          Who say I’m portray I’m “a nice guy who share the common goal with people here who advocate moderate approach to managing the country”? Who is “people here”? Who “advocate moderate approach”? You? You advocate shit. Disrupt and divisive to Malaysian society.

          And who says “Ketuanan melayu is out of time”? You don’t read the Constitution? You don’t know Agong appoints PM? Sultans appoint MBs? Which cave you staying?

          You dunno meaning of Ketuanan Melayu? You only know literal meaning? Dunno the big picture? Call you stupid, can or not?

      • zam says:

        Anon says:
        February 28, 2013 at 11:12 am
        Of course DAP members and followers never realize those. They are anti-Malay and anti-Islam. They caused the race riots of 1969. Google “13 May 1969:
        ——————————————————————
        The above argument is out of date. That is DAP 44 years ago…and how do you explain 60 million allocation for islamic affairs compared to 10 million during koh Tsu Khoon? is that anti-islamic? be ratinale will you…

        • Anonymas says:

          “That is DAP 44 years ago”

          That was DAP 44 years ago, and DAP now is still lead by the same guy who got ISA’d for the 13th May riots (Lim Kit Siang) who wanted to ‘sweep Malays out of Kuala Lumpur’.

          If the bus is still driven by the same guy who has been caught drunk driving (or his son), it’s better to ride another bus. hahaha

        • Anon says:

          Don’t be stupid (sorry guys, I’ve to use the word stupid so many times because the comments by these fellows really stupid) saying more money means not anti-Islam. Where got logic like that?

          Don’t see they are anti Hudud like crazy, Never, said Kit Siang, Over his dead body, said Karpal Singh. And continue jumping up and down like monkeys every time their sleeping partner Nik Aziz talk Hudud. And sleeping partner dat one. Only don’t korek like Anwar.

        • Servant of God says:

          “That is DAP 44 years ago”

          So please show me how DAP has changed for the better.

          Tell me when did LKS tick off his son for saying, on Christmas of all days, that the kalimah “Allah” is open to non-Muslims. That issue has divided not only Muslims (though 83% say it is the exclusive right of Muslims) but also Christians.

          So please share with me how DAP is now better.

        • Anonymous says:

          This bloke calling himself zam should realize that there are many pro BN guys whacking him here. He is alone most of the time. He must know his views are not welcome here. Particularly his method of stating his views.

          They are however tolerated because this blog is free for all to participate.

          He claims to be neutral, unbiased, independent. He has been shitted for claiming those.

          But giving him a bit of benefit of doubt, my advice is for him to change his ways of commenting here. Wild, unsubstantiated and unjustified comments will get whacked to kingdom come, laughed at where relevant, shitted and bombarded as and when necessary.

          Good nite.

  8. Pakatan Puak Pembohong says:

    BN will win. whether they can get the 2/3 majority, that will depend on 2 factors. 1, how strong the Malay, Bumiputera and Indian swing back to BN, 2, how many people will come out to vote on election day. if voter turnout is strong on election day, that will mean that the swing back to BN is indeed strong and BN will get their 2/3 majority back. BN election workers must concentrate on getting people to come out and vote because for sure, the urban Chinese that are pro PR will definitely come out strongly to vote for PR. the more BN can get voters out to vote, the better it is for BN.
    reject PR
    vote BN
    save Malaysia.

    • BSA says:

      ……INGAT JANGAN TAK INGAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      ……SEMUA KEPIMPINAN PR SOKONG…..
      ……MANIFESTO BUKAN JANJI……..

      SOKONG BN JANJI DITEPATI……..
      SOKONG BN JANJI DITEPATI……..
      SOKONG BN JANJI DITEPATI……..

  9. Anon says:

    How to vote BN where UMNO people always in the court for wrong reasons.
    Latest being the umno man being sued by british investors for cheating and swallowing funds.
    Really having integrity problem these people. Cheat and steal and rob seems to be normal for UMNO.

    • Servant of God says:

      How can I vote for PR in Selangor now? Thousands of people are suing the state government for many reasons.

      They really have no integrity. Not fulfilling promises seems to be a MUST for PR.

      Reject PR.

    • Pakatan Puak Pembohong says:

      how to vote for PR ? look at Nik, look at Hadi. calling people animals. even their own people, they insult. mind you, if you want people to vote for you, be nice, attend to their needs, listen to them. listen lah ! tak faham ke ? alah pembangkang ni. election is near, now you call people animals. macam mana nak orang undi PR ?
      reject PR
      vote BN
      save Malaysia.

    • Anonymas says:

      The first week after voting for PR in Selangor post-PRU12 was shitty and continued to be increasingly shitty for the next 4 years. I’m not doing anything stupid as that, again.

  10. Mangkuk says:

    STL. Scenario 4: Chaos, Arab Spring style as dream by mad and foolish Anuwar who are still working on foolish Sulu sakai army in Sabah.

    Anwar still wonder why Arab Spring still didn’t come to our shore.

    He don’t have time to learn that no. 1: We’re not Arabs 2. We’re politically and economically stable 3. Almost all rakyat educated as a result of free educations. 4. We’re not country run by dictator but democracy.

    Not one of Anuwar plan were succeed. As for GE12 PR win not because of him. He only take over from his wife and other PR member who contribute and construct frameworks for the solidarity of PR while he is in jail.

    Now when he handle it full time PR are divided internally. He is not even PKR members, I wonder how smart Karpal and others can believe somebody without real indentification in PR.

    • Anonymas says:

      Scenario 4 continued: Wan Azizah files a divorce from her husband, leaving him powerless to do anything. Dun dun dunnnnnnn

      • Pakatan Puak Pembohong says:

        and The Butt man will ask his office boys to help him procure call girls from Thailand. he’s been doing it for a long time. for him, there’s always a substitute for anything. anything can be replaced. remember his tirades against the DAP when he was with UMNO ? now he can’t stop praising the DAP. the man has no principles. now with their latest election manifesto, they are essentially selling a bogus utopia devoid of substance but filled with deceit to the people hoping that as in 2008, the people will take the bait again. but what they don’t realize is that people now have wise up and are not easily taken in by all these promises.

      • AnonKL says:

        Wan Azizah has no choice but to stay married with her husband; her life is at stake. Get it?

      • linpehkong says:

        This is not possible. Rea End admiral is probably a wife beater and she is so afraid of him that she will do whatever he says – Stockholm syndrome. What did she do when video of his numerous sexual tryst was aired? She did nothing about his relationship with Azmin’s wife (there is no smoke without fire) but stand by him like a good obedient wife. To bad she did not join the obedient wife’s club.

    • BSA says:

      ..now he try SULU spring in Sabah

    • linpehkong says:

      Mangkuk,
      A distinct possibility. The rear End Admiral will first try to rally support within Malaysia to create chaos. If that does not work out he will ask for foreign help. And if that again fail – then he will claim that his life in in danger and seek asylum in another country – Switzerland or wherever his money is stashed. He needs to be safe from people who try to poison him with cyanide and rest his back which is killing him.

  11. Soft Core says:

    Whatever the scenario, the Opposition who wants to attain power must show to the World and us citizens that they are like CAESAR’S WIFE BEYOND REPROACH ! No talk, talk, talk ad infinitum !

  12. Anonymas says:

    Scenario 4: Selangor, Penang and Kedah back to BN rule, while Kelate becomes 50-50 BN/PAS. Permatang Pauh no longer belongs to Anwar and his brethren, so he is now the MP of Gombak / Lembah Pantai. In Marang terengganu and Cherang kelantan, PAS supporters make a gathering to recount the PRU votes. Due to butthurt of Selangor loss and Johor takeover failure, Bersih 4.0 takes to the streets (with reduced turnout).

    Khalid Ibrahim, post-PRU13 loss, becomes the CEO of 5 newly established companies with thousands of land titles in real estate. His only regret is not taking over Syabas when he was in power. Husam Musa is arrested for his multiple accounts of scamming and money-laundering. the People’s Highway, Jamnapari goat farm are all nowhere to be seen.

    In other states not mentioned, things go normally.

    THE END.

  13. bourne identity says:

    fuckatan rakyat will be buried..and a new coalition party will be formed – PDK…. a joint PAS-DAP-PKR which means Parti Dikecewakan Rakyat.
    They will form a cabinet of their own…deep in Anwar’s kampung with their own flag.

  14. Anonymous says:

    Yo, sori guys, no time yet to be here long, now only to say delighted at reading this bit of news:

    Kedah MB admits to unkept promises

    New Straits Times – ‎5 hours ago‎

    ALOR STAR: KEDAH Menteri Besar Datuk Seri Azizan Abdul Razak has admitted that the state goverment had failed to fulfil some promises contained in the Kedah Pakatan Rakyat’s 2008 general election manifesto.

    • Servant of God says:

      “Kedah MB admits to unkept promises

      New Straits Times – ‎5 hours ago‎”

      Haaa.. like this laa.. quote news that’s fresh. If not fresh pun, not so old.

      That one Pakatoon quoting NST from 2004 in the previous article… hehehe

  15. Gabriel Al Iman says:

    Is the “chinadoll” video authentic?

  16. Jump the gun says:

    Stop The Lies has not answered my topic on Ong Tee Keat…
    To support or not to support ….
    If say support i support , if say go fly kite i buy a kite for Pandan

    • linpehkong says:

      Correct, you jumped the gun. What makes you think that STL owe you an answer to “YOUR TOPIC” about OTK. When did it become “your topic”. The blind will never see, so throw diamond to Chicken and cows like (as Nick Axis says) also no use

  17. Anonymous says:

    I registered as a voter in ’99 when I qualified as a voter as a direct result of the Reformasi movement. I casted my vote in favor of BN in the 2001 state elections.

    I moved to KL for career reasons in ’04 & subsequently made it my principal residence since. Despite a few overseas assignments, I’ve never failed to return to cast my votes, be it the State or General elections. I contributed to the ’08 tsunami by voting for DAP for the first time.

    Staying within MPSJ jurisdiction, I’ve seen the services deteriorating with each passing year. Where once the rubbish was collected daily, now it is irregular. Over CNY, it was left uncollected for 3 days!

    I called TNB due to faulty street lighting before. I found out that those on my street were under the jurisdiction of MPSJ. I called MPSJ to report it & was assured they’ll look into it within a day or two. 8 days later, the street lights were still faulty. I wrote to the local press & copied the email to MPSJ. The day the letter was published, they finally got around to repairing it.

    As for the grass cutting, I see them coming once every 3-4 months, when the grass is approximately 1-1 1/2 foot high. As for the drains, we had flash flood where there was standing water approximately 15-20 cm due to the uncleared rubbish blocking the flow.

    Nearby, there are blocks of shophouses with food & retail outlets amongst others. Also in operation are gambling centres in the guise of cyber cafes. You can tell by the dark tinted windows, security door & foreigners operating food stalls outside. I’ve personally witnessed armed robberies at the outlets by machete wielding men. I’ve complained to MPSJ after which they visited the spot, close them down only for the centre to reopen a day or two later.

    As for Subang Jaya in general, I see rubbish bags by the roadsides, dead leaves unswept, huge rats scurrying around & lots of massage parlors mushrooming. And yet, my assessment bills remain the same. I’m not paying less than what I did before but I’m getting substandard service despite the state government’s assurances that things will be better.

    As for PR’s promise to respect all religions, I have a question to ask of them. Why until this very day, no approval is given to Church of Divine Mercy Shah Alam to have a cross displayed atop the church? All it takes is for the MB to sign the approval & instruct MBSA to allow it but until today, zilch.

    How long do I have to wait for things to get better? 5 years? 10 years? Or another term perhaps? Or maybe another couple of terms? Are we supposed to subscribe to the saying that things will get worse before getting better?

    As a voter, I’ve had had enough of the bullshit from the state government. I’m not expecting them to wait on me hand & foot but I expect them to do the job like they said they could & they would.

    If the current scenario with the waste collection is repeated with the water supply takeover, will we get water supply every 2-3 days? Do I have to spend my sleeping hours waiting by the tap wishing it to flow? To borrow Kee Thuan Chye’s words, enough bullshit!!!

    As for Sarawak’s political scenario, the issues on the ground are different. Unless you are well versed with the people, their culture & their intricacies, best left to those who know better.

    • anon says:

      noted and agreed
      that why we must ubah to BN

    • Anonymous says:

      Good revelation of your feelings there, Anonymous. Having “had enough of the bullshit from the state government” – Selangor.

      But of course the Pakatan goons will say you and I are the same person patting each other on the back.

      I don’t mind them get patted on the back – Anwar style.

  18. linpehkong says:

    Change of subject.
    That old billy goat with dirty laundry on his head is as cunning as a fox. But yesterday Rear End Admiral just threw him under the bus (he will throw anybody under the bus – his mother, obedient wife, Narul – to save his pathetic self) by revealing that the old goat himself had prepared and signed the statement allowing the use of the word “Allah” by non-Muslims that was agreed upon by the opposition partners.
    A REAL BACK STABBER IN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD.

  19. Anonymous says:

    STL readers,

    The blogger ‘Zam’ is the same Zamyahaya who is a regular commentator at Malaysia Today.com (MT) . His real name is Norizan bin Yahaya, is married and a father of 5. He claimed that he is a PHD candidate and he sells tea to PAS for a living. He is telling lies that he does not belong to any particular party. From his comments here and on MT show he is a PR supporter.

    He stated he did his own poll and the result is PR will win in GE 13. He also mentioned that Khalid Gagap is his mentor.
    ————————————————————————————–
    Below I c & p some of his comments on MT:-

    zamyahaya on February 26, 2013 8:56 pm
    Sorry I got C & P this for those who thinks Mahathir is a Little Angel
    And I am going to paste this everywhere and ask the same question to UMNO Troopers….
    What have you got to say about this? Give your best defence and remain a “Pak Turut”
    The grand old man have finally spoken and admitted that Tun Mahathir, himself have instructed PETRONAS to give his son, Mokhzani Mahathir’s company SaputraKecana 2 (two) contracts worth more than RM836 million ringgit during his premiership.
    This old man (Mahathir) even have the guts to mention that he always do it for his children most if not everything especially on contracts (Government and Public).
    Apparently, he went overboard and abused his power and position.
    This is an act of “NEPOTISM”.
    This is completely conflict of national interest and yet, these UMNO cronies like Attorney General Abdul Gani Patil, Supreme Courts Judges, MACC or SPRM did not bother to investigate further or take any action are utterly nonsense.

    zamyahaya on February 26, 2013 2:09 pm
    UMNO is the most un democrATIC PARTY LAH. wHO SAYS THE ymno MEMBERS choose the president? its the perwakilan that can be bribed by the incumbent…thats why Tengku razaleigh hamzah only got 1 vote to contest and in the end the post was never contested except in 1987. And Tun was the one who propose that the presidency post should not be contested! And all the perwakilan macam orang bodoh: Saya setuju Saya setuju saya sokong….and now see what happen?

    • Anonymous says:

      Thanks for your input, dear namesake. Good to know -after typing in my comment at 5.48 am above – that you also have submitted your above and other comments.

      No doubt he and other Pakatan goons will say that Anonymous you and Anonymous me are one and the same person. Let it be.

    • Anonymous says:

      That he mentioned elsewhere that Khalid Ibrahim is his mentor and that he did his own poll showing PR win at PRU13, yet claiming here as being independent and not biased, shows him either as a liar or a psychologically disturbed person.

      No wonder he is “a PhD candidate” at 50 plus years old.

      Whether he is sane or not, his anti-BN comments need to be countered. The clearly irrational comments need to be booed and laughed at so that the unfamiliar readers in this blog won’t get adversely influenced.

    • bourne identity says:

      PhD? U mean to declare that you have a Permanently Head Damage as in a PhD?
      In that case…no tea for me please….cant trust what youve put in the tea… could well be Al Juburi’s semen in it :-)))))

  20. Can’t wait for Barisan Nasional to get its 2/3 majority back in Parliament :-)

  21. Malay DAP says:

    I’m not about to terminate my membership in DAP. Not yet. But I’m voting for BN this time. I’ve heard, seen and researched enough already. I’ve made up my mind…

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