Talibanisation Begins Under PAS

Source: The Choice

Child marriages, which have so far been the hallmark of countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan, are now afflicting Malaysia – a sign that under PAS the slow Talibanisation of our nation has already begun.

Earlier this month, 12-year-old Nur Fariza Saad tied the knot with 19-year-old Mohammad Fahmi Alias in the PAS-ruled state of Kedah. Their marriage sparked public outrage, with activists calling for child marriages to be banned in Malaysia.

“I don’t understand why this is allowed in a country like Malaysia,” Ratna Osman, executive director of activist group Sisters in Islam, told Agence France-Presse (AFP).

“We are talking about a developed country.”

She noted that having sex with a 12-year-old girl who is not one’s wife is considered statutory rape under Malaysian law.

“You would be charged under the law on statutory rape but get permission from the court and suddenly it’s O.K. to have sex with a 12-year-old,” Ratna said.

The legal age for Muslims to marry is 16 years for women and 18 for men, but those under age are permitted to marry with parental and shariah court consent. Shariah law comes under state jurisdiction – and with Kedah under PAS rule, it’s no coincidence that this has flourished in that state.

Between 2008 and 2010, for instance, Kedah’s Islamic Religious Department showed a 35 per cent increase in marriage applications for underage people.

A report released this month by the U.N. Country Team Gender Theme Group found that in 2011 Shariah courts had approved 824 marriages involving Muslims in which at least one party was younger than the legal age.

The researchers interviewed six girls and one boy who married below the legal age and found that their reasons for getting married were: to avoid premarital sex, which is forbidden under Islam; to avoid being arrested for khalwat, an Islamic offense in which unmarried men and women are found in “close proximity;” coercion by family elders; and pregnancy.

The 19-year-old groom at the centre of the latest controversial marriage, Fahmi, agrees: “It is better for us to get married than do things forbidden by our religion.

“And Nur Fazira has agreed to shoulder the responsibility of a wife at this age (12 years),” he added.

So that means their defence is that it’s better for boys and girls to be united legally under Islam than to be allowed to live in ‘sin’. Such is the perverse logic of PAS.

Non-Muslims will no doubt say this doesn’t concern them as these child marriages involve Muslims. But are they willing to stand by idle as this disaster-in-the-making unfolds in our multi-cultural society under Pakatan?

In 2010, Malaysians were shocked by the marriage of two girls aged 10 and 11 to men in their 40s in Kelantan, another PAS-ruled state. Days later, the 11-year-old was found abandoned and in a state of shock.

In many of these stories, the mothers and female relatives are equally complicit in carrying out the child marriage. Any girl who defies or attempts to defy such customs is likely to suffer or pay with her life.

Sharmila Sekaran, chairwoman of Voice of the Children, a rights group in KL, said the Government should outlaw child marriage.

“I don’t think parents should be allowed to consent for children the age of 12,” she told the New York Times.

“There has been research done which shows that children at the age of 12 are not sufficiently mature to understand their role within a marriage and certainly in terms of becoming parents; they themselves are still children,” she added.

Sekaran pointed out that studies have found that young girls who become pregnant and their babies faced greater health risks than older women.

Malaysians need to realise that the road PAS wants to take our society down will eventually take us to a world already inhabited in Afghanistan or parts of Pakistan, where the recent shooting of teenage activist Malala Yusofzai underscores the Islamist fallout on female children.

Under PAS we will regress into an Islamic stone age for women. This is not a future that our women and girls deserve.

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52 Responses to Talibanisation Begins Under PAS

  1. I.D.A says:

    I don’t want to spoil STL mood, but this is syariah law you are talking about… and sister in Islam, come on lah… let the non-muslim make a hoo haa. Let accept what is provided by the syariah law. Unlesss STL also non-muslim.

    http://mynewshub.my/2012/10/12/perkahwinan-di-bawah-umur-dibenarkan/

    That’s a different between Talibanism and real syariah law. This time I think, I am not in the same track with STL.

    • Anonymous says:

      Syari’ah or Talibanism, it’s simply and utterly ridiculous to allow under-aged children to marry. Where is the limit? Now 12, in future, 10? 8? 6? What the ….

      A whole lot of degenerative moral issues will stem from that. No school when married? Low income to afford their offspring better education than they have? The whole lot of them damned to poverty for generations until a lucky streak hit them to break the spell?

      What sense of irresponsibility these people show. Enough of legal marriage age at 16. Allowing marriage at puberty is simply unthinking. The SIS woman doesn’t even know we have not reached a developed status yet. Even so, we are not in the early 1900s to have 12 year-old marriages.

    • Teenage Sex to be jailed Nazri says:

      Nazri would be happy with this. And he is UMNO so you cannot say it is the PAS Malay position alone. Although Nazri is influenced by Tamil writers speaking about Tamil culture, he is applying to Malays.

      So if you dont want your teenagers to be jailed for having sex, what do you do? Let them have sex with approval from Syariah Court.

      We should be asking how did she learn about sex? What cause her sexual hormones to peak.

      Will these child marriage survived? Of course not. After the first few sexual couplings the girl will grow up and realised that she want to know more man and dont know much about sex anyway and seeks divorce.

      Why is it your voice or Sister in Islam or mine is not being heard although we are the majority. Because we let people like Nazri be put in office. So, SIS should stop whining and put in office people who believe like SIS or STL like me.

      In other words we should vet our representative clearly. Ask them what they think of child sex.

      But religion and sex is the attraction of Islam. Islam is full of sex. Virgins when you die etc. And sex and religion for the masses is the perfect opiate while you become PM and gather the spoil for your family..hehe.

      Meanwhile nothing change for Malays in Kedah.

      • Servant of God says:

        I was going to consider your comment seriously, but then I saw you say that SIS is in the majority. Then I knew you’re just vomitting shit because you’re so full of it. Every word of yours cannot use.

  2. Mangkuk says:

    STL this is sensitive issue. Syariah law Islam permit this. You should go into a point on raising educated girl and their welfare in this era. All Muslim parents understood the important of education regardless gender.

    The important of education for a girl can’t go hand in hand with underage married. Same goes to the boy. They can’t progress in achieving good things in life in this challenging world. It make Islam stay poor. Women are 50% of our work force.

    Please handle it carefully on differentiate between PAS and Islam while deliver your arguments.

    • tiu na seng says:

      “Syariah Law” my foot la. That’s just your pedophile dick head speaking.

      • Anonymous says:

        This fellow never knows how to say things in a decent manner.

        He has been tiu na ma-ed here, there and everywhere he comes out with that name.

      • Servant of God says:

        You accuse people of being pedophile, but look at your chosen nickname.

        For sure you must be a rapist of anything that moves, including goats, cows and mixing machines.

        • Servant of pussy says:

          Wow what a nice moniker. Would you be my servant too..khadam..?When it comes to sex with under age Malay girl suddenly you become a servant of God.

          Yeah. put the blame on God. The Arabs like to have sex with children. Its their culture in Iran too. Khomeini said 9 years old is perfect..mmmm.

          But do we Malays have too? On the other hand why should we postpone sexual experience? Why must we criminalised sex?

          What is wrong with enjoying sex and having a beautiful women by your side.?. sorry I digress..hehe

          • Anonymous says:

            You are kurang ajar, aren’t you? Pop in here one time and want to pick on the blogging name of a person who has been using that name all along. And he is whacking another kurang ajar up there.

            You bastaks never learn do you? And dare use the term “we Malays”. No, blokes like you are not Malays. Not accepted as Malays. Malays are usually beradab. Not biadap. Like Lim Guan Eng. Said by no less than DAP Vice Chairman Tunku Aziz as he stormed out of the party.

          • Servant of God says:

            Thank you for proving my point.

            You assholes insult Malays and Muslims by either implying or saying outright that we’re sex-crazed, but again, see the nick you chose for yourself.

            At least I know my station in life as a Servant of God. You, on the other hand, jadi anjeng tapi tak sedar diri. I’d pity you, except I don’t.

  3. smalldickdetector says:

    a 12 year old is still a kid . The girl is still in her pubescence. Her menstruation usually starts at this age and the girl is adjusting to the changes in her body. Before she can even know about this/adapt to this, she is scurried off to be married. Pregnancy at this age is highly risky and usually complicated. Muslim men do not really care about their womenfolk. They think about their horny dicks all the time. Talibans are a bunch of sick dirty old men. What a bunch of perverts!

    • Servant of God says:

      You can detect small dicks because you are one. As the saying goes, it takes a thief to know one.

      How is pregnancy for a healthy young girl risky and complicated? Please submit your references so that everybody can have a look.

      I await your learned response.

      • Home Maid of God says:

        Servant of God and fucker of children. I bet you never have any girl before so you are enjoying vicariously the fornication of Nur Fazura the 12 year old girl heh?

        Better ask Sharizat as she Head of Malay women in UMNO. What does TKC thinks.

        Do you girls wish you had sex when you were in standard six?

        • Anonymous says:

          No ask the SABI.
          He seems to know a lot in this topic.

        • Anonymous says:

          The same bastak now using another name. Talking the same biadap style. He/she wouldn’t have had any upbringing. Probably left alone by the poor parents too busy to make ends meet.

          Maybe as a baby he/she toddled around the pig sty. Occasionally finding pig shit and putting it into his mouth. That’s why he/she smells pig shit the moment he.she opens his mouth in here.

          • Anonymous says:

            These taliban bastaks really get mad when pointed out they are paedophile. Seemingly religious but setan in spirit. This anonymous support child sex for malay girls as it is in syariah.

            But you are not getting any. In your dreams lah. Probably some bastaks by the roadside in Penang mari.

        • Servant of God says:

          See? You cannot substantiate your claims. I even asked nicely for your proof. True to your identity as an anjeng for PR, all you can do is try and divert the issue. You are a piece of shit.

          Then again, when I look at your comments, it really looks that you’ve got a major case of repressed sexual tendencies. Your family and neighbours better lock up their children, before you have your way with them.

    • Anonymous says:

      No, “think(ing) about their horny dicks” does not happen among Muslim men only. I can quote you so many examples. But I’ll let it rest there.

      And Talibans are not the only ones who are “a bunch of sick dirty old men”. I can also quote cases of you know who. But I’ll also let it rest there, too.

      But, Mr smalldickdetector, do try and detect the Omega and China doll man. I want to recommend PAS people, too. But maybe only Mat Sabu.

      And I do agree with most of your other points.

  4. Servant of God says:

    Before anyone else comments, please consider that Sisters-in-Islam is similar to PAS in the sense that its understanding of Islam is skewed to match its agenda. Many of their statements actually go against the teachings of Islam.

    Just look at how they misinterpret this child marriage issue. In Islam, as long as a person has reached puberty, they may marry. So as long as the girl has started to menstruate, then she could get married. No problem. So please don’t talk about 6 to 8 year-old girls being married. That is utter nonsense.

    But, just because Islam allows it, does it mean 12-year-olds should marry? In my opinion, no. Education at the primary, secondary and tertiary levels are key to lifting a person’s economic status. So if a girl only has primary education before dropping out to stay at home as a housewife, she would be missing out on so much. Most likely she would not even be able to financially contribute much to her household because she just doesn’t have the education to get a job.

    If you really want to speak out against the marriage, then why don’t STL or the sisters talk about the risk of her being denied her chance to continue her schooling? Why focus on the marriage which her religion had allowed?

    Every Muslim should know this. Even the Sisters-in-Islam. I’m not surprised by how they’re acting though, they’ve got their own agenda, God knows what it is.

    But, what about you, STL? It seems as if you’re trying to skew public opinion against Islam, taking advantage of PAS’s stupidity here. I hope I’m wrong. But what’s your agenda?

    • Anonymous says:

      SOG,

      I think STL’s agenda is only to show the nonsense of PAS’ stand. So is mine.

      Remember that Islam allows under-aged children to marry but only with parents’ and Syariah’s court consent. Note that consent needs not always be given. There must be extenuating circumstances for that to happen. Not just automatically given, not just because of fear that the children may engage in sex out of wedlock. No evidence on that, only speculation by the parents.

      We are not against Islam’s rule. We are against those parents and those in the Syariah Court who may give their consent on flimsy excuses. Not taking into serious consideration the broader interests of the children and of Islamic society as a whole. I think this has been PAS’ problem all along and this is what we are whacking at.

      • Servant of God says:

        Point taken. And your points are good indeed.

        I understand that my stance on this seems hardline, but I do not appreciate how the necessary explanations are not in place.

    • Servant of God says:

      Just to expand a little on why I think a 12 year-old should not marry.

      Islam is a religion for everyone, whatever their circumstances may be.

      If you’re living in a developing nation and you have access to education and the means of making wealth, then you may choose to do that. The al-Qur’an says this in chapter 62 verse 10 which says, “And when the Prayer is finished, then may ye disperse through the land, and seek of the Bounty of Allah: and celebrate the Praises of Allah often (and without stint): that ye may prosper.”

      However, if you’re in a third world country with no means of getting an education and legitimate marriage would lift you out of poverty or at least allow you to face the hardships of life with a supportive partner, then you may choose to do that.

      Personally, I find it unfortunate that someone with access to education would shun it. But, that is the choice of the family. I pray that Allah SWT would save them from their bad choices, just as Allah SWT would save me from my bad choices.

  5. Anon says:

    Talibanisation is being extreme. Include cannot cut beard, cannot listen music, tv, entertainment, cannot drive.

    Females only in the house. Produce children, cook, wash. Go out wear the purdah, cannot see face, even eyes. Now in Pakistan and Afghanistan. They bombed Buddhist stone statues over 1,000 years old on hillside in Afghanistan when they rule there before Hamid Karzai.

    That’s why PAS rule females cannot cut male hair, young children can marry.

  6. ExMIC says:

    Child marriages exist not only for Muslims as Indians and Chinese also have such marriages. India have so many instances of child marriages and so do China.
    I personally do not agree with such marriages as at 12 years old, they are still in their prime stage in gaining a good education for the future,and not learning to be a housewife. Marriage is a very responsible task that even some adults have difficulty to overcome. Then they have to think of their future children.
    Please note that I am against children marrying at early age but not Islam. If Syariah courts and their parents consented with the marriage, then I have nothing to against.

  7. Mohd Asri says:

    I have never come across or heard of any Malay girls in Malaysia paying with their lives if they refused to agree to marriage. The writer of this argument is talking nonsense if they are referring to Malaysia

  8. Anonymous says:

    “It is better for us to get married than do things forbidden by our religion,” said the stupid fler.

    The Syariah Court should have told him, “You forbid your coxx from being naughty to an under-aged girl, and if you do the implied thing, we will arrest you, have you sent to jail.”

    The parents may have given consent out of ignorance and lack of education themselves. But kamon lah, the Syariah Court Judge should have higher education to know better.

  9. Anonymas says:

    lol, the state govt actually LETS the couple marry? If it was in other states/districts, they should have been swarmed by teachers, counselors and ustazs who will give them a ceramah motivasi or kursus to PREVENT them from marrying because clearly, it is not their time yet. Even when this happens in Asrama schools, you got scolded so hard by your discipline teacher or warden “Kecik-kecik lagi kamu dah pandai…nak kahwin konon? Ilmu rumahtangga, nafkah kamu dah sedia?” State govt under PAS, why do you think this thing will solve problems? They are NOT ready. Monkey love marriages only exist in Bollywood movies!

    I think the parents want the boy to marry their 12 y.o. to cover up the embarrassment / tutup malu.

  10. Lin Peh Kong says:

    The father of the 12 year old is to blame. He was afraid that they will sin if he did not give his blessings – what a lousy excuse. It is easier to be a lousy father than a responsible person. If the father wants to prevent the daughter from sinning, report them to the authorities and they can go to jail for statutory rape – that will prevent them from sinning.
    Any bets that the 2 will be divorced in a few years years. I am giving odds. a 12 year old does not even start to understand what love and responsibility is.

  11. ray says:

    The needs and requirements of the modern world should dictate a compulsory completion of pre-marital counselling and marriage courses that an underage couple, whatever their religion, must attend.

    Consent and approval should only be given after a post-assessment of the underage couple’s readiness for the responsibilities of married life.

    Otherwise marriage breakdowns and the divorce rates may skyrocket. This may result in widespread dysfunctional families.

    • Anonymous says:

      The Syariah Court Judge may have been from a University in an Arab country where counselling and so on is not much known, let alone practiced. Counselling in divorce cases may often be a one-way affair.

      And if those responsible for selecting Syariah Court Judges are like-minded, habis lah. In PAS-ruled states, jahanam lah.

      Voting PAS out of power would help reduce such stupid happenings.

  12. I.D.A says:

    To STL,

    When the non muslim start mocking and belitle syariah law in your blog because you so copy paste trigger happy- now you so happy? Well, what to do… “la kum di nu kum wa li ya din”

    The choice is yours, my choice – I say, good bye.

    • Anonymous says:

      Try visiting BIG Cat blog and whack the bitch if you agree with others there who accuse her of being an impostor masquerading as a Malay – the lowest form of a human being – talks about “Stupid Malays .. ashamed of my own race … “, and “went to check out the Umno people at the PWTC … Now I’m a bit infected by all those Melayu stuff.”

      The job is to counter them, whack them, whenever we can, wherever we can, my dear. The advice is: go for the bush, not the trees.

      Look over the fence to find the enemies, not at home. PAS, PKR, DAP are the enemies – especially DAP. They will always try to hijack our discussion, try to move our target away from them. Or even bend our guns to point to our own troops. A great pity if we allow any of them to succeed.

      • Anonymous says:

        Yeah,,,
        They crooked

        Finding whatever excuse no matter how empty to takeover a well and proven track record govt.

        What have they done even in the states won, bickering among themselves, rakyat be the judge

  13. Anonymous says:

    Actually hah this minor marriage is just that, minor.
    One off event.
    Perhaps due to special circumstance which is not privy to us.
    No need to get excited.

    We just need to focus on exposing the oppo and their dirty underhand tactics.
    Rakyat needs to know the truth

  14. ExDAP says:

    If not mistaken, Chinese families also used to arrange marriages of their children at a very tender age a long time ago. Some even seek a partner for their children when the child is still a baby.

    The Chinese did this to ensure the child wed into a wealthy family or to ensure the child marry into the same social class family.

    This practices were quite common among wealthy families.

    But this practices has long been abandoned due to education and social freedom enjoyed by all levels of society.

    TO REVITALIZED THIS PRACTICE IS A STEP BACKWARD FOR ANY RACE.
    ,

    • Mangkuk says:

      Thanks ExDAP. It’s one remote case by uneducated Muslim person. It can’t bring the whole race backward! The father has choice and that what he did. Just like suicide, it’s their choice unless they make known to their ‘educated’ friends or relatives.

      May be their mind is already sown by PAS Taliban mentality. They didn’t find out many of Afghanistan, India, Pakistan and Bangladesh mix their primitive culture of pre Islam with Islam. For example honour killing it’s against Islam.

      Not allow educations for a girl are common across the races because primitive people prepare a girl to be good housewife since you.

  15. Apolitical says:

    Don’t live in the PASt
    Live for a future
    The PASt has NO FUTURE in it
    Child marriage practices belongs to the PASt
    It belongs to a stone age practice, a backward practice of the PASt
    Don’t dwell in the PASt
    Let’s move forward for a brighter future.!

  16. Teh Chee Seng says:

    Yes, from my understanding, Islam allows marriage when a girl reaches maturity and puberty. But Islamic Law should never be taken in ISOLATION (Haider, 2008). We have to look at the social, cultural, etc. environment. Given the current status in Malaysia, would it not be better if the individuals concerned be given a chance for education, learning, etc before commitment to marriage?

    • Anonymous says:

      That’s the whole issue, my friend.

      Consent for Muslim under-aged marriages (below 16 for girls) is two-fold: parents and the Syariah court. The parents may lack education but the Judge should not. But the Syariah Judge in this particular case in Kedah may be influenced by PAS Government thinking.

    • Servant of God says:

      “But Islamic Law should never be taken in ISOLATION”

      Thank you for sharing that. I really appreciate it.

  17. A.B.A.I says:

    Lets them married rather than doing illegal sex. Does them affected your live? no… u still working, eating, commenting, whacking, taking care of your family, etc. If u concern u will meet, advise them. This is perkara remeh. Just pray them to live happily ever after…

    • Anon says:

      Only thing I agree with you is your name A.B.A.I – ASALKAN BUKAN ANWAR IBRAHIM.

      Sorry friend, the rest I disagree. If we let them marry, they’ll miss the chance for better education, better economic future, better family prospects. Tell them not to do illegal sex, if caught Syariah court will put them into jail.

      Sure it’ll affect my life, what. This is my country, I want to see decency, proper guidance of all citizens, a better society in the future. We cannot be selfish and just make dunno about such things. This is NOT perkara remeh. If many people think like that, then not good for country and cannot live happily ever after…

  18. Boy says:

    I heard that in history a 5o years old man already married and had many wife but he still not satisfied and get another 6 year old girl ! Is it true ? Who was this lucky guy ?

    • Anon says:

      Now, where did you hear such things, boy? In History there are all sorts of things, but do go by the History that your school teaches you, compulsory from next year, meaning every pupil has to learn it, if no pass in SPM, no certificate, like BM.

  19. ExDAP says:

    The comments i posted earlier is to show that different races in malaysia too practice this customary acts of child wedding. It is not exclusive only in muslim faith.

    THE MAIN DIFFERENT IS THAT OTHER RACES HAS PROGRESS AND STOP SUCH PRACTISES IN TODAY SOCIETY.

    Our daughters and sons are all well educated and open opportunities to both sexes. Children are more informed and allowed to choose their own partner.

    While other races move onwards PAS instead moves backwards.
    ITS LIKE THEY ARE DOING MICHAEL MOONWALK TO FOOL OTHERS PAS MEMBERS.

  20. Auntie says:

    Boy you are naughty ! Let Auntie tell you that lucky guy was M……

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