The End of Lim Dynasty…

Anwar Ibrahim made a promise that the coming general election would be his last. He will go for a broke, means that if he fails to wrest Putrajaya from Barisan Nasional, his political career will come to an end.

For similar reasons, DAP stalwart Lim Kit Siang too will have to proof his worthiness as the party’s supreme leader. Should Pakatan Rakyat fails to make it, he should as well bid farewell to Malaysian politics, for good!

Why?

Lim’s dynasty which has been leading DAP for a long, long time might have to face a new threat in the party’s National Congress expected to be held on December 2012.

DAP leaders are so fond of reminding BN about the change of mindset among the rakyat, that the rakyat would like to see changes in Putrajaya. So, DAP members should also be prepared to face similar ambience.

Thus, like it or not, this old dynasty might have to accept the fact that as time evolves, DAP members are beginning to have a change of mind and heart.

Today, iron-fist leadership can no longer guarantee continuous power.

Few of those who are expected to challenge Lim Guan Eng for the Secretary General post include Teng Chang Khim, Speaker for Selangor State Assembly and also a party committee member.

It is no longer a secret that Teng Chang Khim would be among those who got the guts and balls to go against ‘the one way street’, against the tradition set by Lim and Karpal Singh about 30 years ago – that is not to challenge the party’s highest authority!

Teng is said to be leading the group which is beginning to cast lots of doubt on Lim’s dynasty and other DAP higher leaders, especially after they took over Penang from BN in the 12th general election.

Not just about the arrogance among their supreme leaders but also their performance of late. Each of their weakness began to show, especially when their role as the opposition leader didn’t augur well for Malaysians. What they have been doing was to oppose each and every policy the government introduced.

DAP members were hoping for their leaders to play a constructive role at the Parliament but they failed for one reason – to push Anwar up!

In fact, their political cooperation with PAS started with a silent protest from grass root members. However, they began to criticise the leadership openly when leaders like Kit Siang and son Guan Eng did not make any stand on ‘hudud’ law.

Going by political measurement, Chang Khim is getting more influential these days. More and more members are seeing Guan Eng’s speedy escalation in politics as a dangerous sign. To them, if Pakatan wins, Lim’s dynasty would be even more arrogant, making it tougher for others to bring them down.

Lim and his family are well aware of this matter and they are said to be planning for a strategy to safeguard their interest. However, members are getting impatient to see changes to the party leadership. Beside the two Lim, they also want people like Karpal and Tan Seng Giaw out of the picture. Lim may not believe this but come December, he will discover the truth!

Hence, it is not impossible that DAP Congress later this year will become a turning point for Lim Dynasty. This may sound impossible but members – who all the while just nod to his command – will ensure his exit.

Let’s see if Lim can stop them!

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53 Responses to The End of Lim Dynasty…

  1. I.D.A says:

    like what Tun M said before, “dah lama dah…” rusty tool can be oiled but rusty politicians better to rest and replace by younger generation. hopefully new generation leaders can be ‘pembangkang berkaliber’ to check and balance.

    p/s: TGNA bila nak make way? tu bukan rusty lagi dah… tu namanya archaeology artifact.

  2. AnonKL says:

    My gut feeling says that the DAP National Congress will be postponed after the GE13, for ‘solidarity’ sake.

    • Servant of God says:

      I think you’re on to something there.

    • Me, A Reader.. says:

      AnonKL,

      Agreed with SOG. You’re onto something.

      Either they will delay the congress nor delay the selections. Either one with the reason of closing ranks before next GE in which would be soon enuff.

      If results of GE favourable to these Dynasty of Limmy and Karpie, the will cling to power with the facts that people still believes in them

      However, if it turn out otherwise, their troopers and machinery will salvage whatever to turn, twist and con everyone, agin to cling on to power!!

      Delay the congress or internal elections at all cost. At the same time, assasins are being deploy to kill off future competitors. Mark my comments. Wait and see for the next 60 days.

      Teng should be wary of all these and seriously go head on against these Limmy and Karpie , and with backdoor plans as well. Keep your friends close.

      But keep your enemies CLOSER!!

      • Servant of God says:

        Actually, I made an observation over in Helen Ang’s place a while back. Some of us were remarking how DS Najib hasn’t called for elections yet.

        So I shared how it struck me that by delaying the polls, DS Najib is exposing a lot of weaknesses in PR without doing anything. Take for instance the Nutgraph, a pro-Opp rag that had to close down because its run out of funds. Dulu mesti dapat funding cukup2 sajalah. They must’ve thought that by now DS Najib would’ve done a PakLah and called for early polls. But he hasn’t, and PR is looking more and more like idiots, through no fault but their own.

        Ever since then, I’ve been wondering, “What else would shake loose if the polls are delayed?” And by Allah Almighty, it’s been like having multiple birthdays; almost every day or every week we are treated to something else PR has screwed up on.

        I mean, just look at this upcoming DAP National Congress. As had been noted above, there is a very real possibility that the Limmies would delay the congress. Needless to say, if this happens, the grassroots would be enraged. Then, we see laa how united the DAP would during GE13. I think it would be hillarious.

        Or, DS Najib could call for elections before the DAP congress. If that happens, there would be no time for power struggles on who becomes candidate, so follow what Limmies suggest laa. Haaa… I think then we will see those who fear the growing power of Limmies do what BN people did for PakLah in 2008. They would vote the other way. Would this be any less hillarious? NO! Boleh buat reality TV woo!

        Oh, the possibilities are so giddifying (I know, I know). Like I said, DS Najib is playing them like a boss.

        • Pakatan Puak Pembohong says:

          you forgot to add that the DAP’s partner, PKR is also having a nice party in Selangor, or shall I say the Azmin and Khalid Show.
          belum PRU lagi mereka dah mula rebut jawatan MB. alahai, lagi lama Najib tangguh PRU, lagi banyak konflik dalaman parti-parti komponen PR come to the surface.
          kat PAS pun sama juga. I think the Nasha issue is making some people in PAS very uncomfortable.
          ini belum lagi ahli-ahli grassroots parti-parti komponen PR keluar parti ramai-ramai. kalau ini berlaku, lagi banyak fireworks !
          jadi, I m going to say is, Najib, fight the war at a place, date, time of your choosing. bait your enemies, when they are desperate, they will implode from within.

          • Servant of God says:

            Actually, I didn’t really forget. It’s just that there’s so much to choose from, ya know? Naik jenuh den nak nulis satu2.

        • I.D.A says:

          SoG,
          sharp observation over there, that must be the reason behind all this ‘teka-teki’. clever; Najib!

    • Pakatan Puak Pembohong says:

      there won’t be a DAP National Congress after GE13. why ? with all the internal power struggles, after the GE13, they will be too busy fighting to save their skin.

  3. Ex MIC says:

    There are rumours that Ngo Hoo Kam is getting bossy in Perak since getting power in 2008. Many DAP don’t like him and his cousin.

    • Pakatan Puak Pembohong says:

      hard to push the Perak cousins out in Perak. they have too many cronies working for them. remember tailorgate ? unless M Kulasegaran can muster enough support in Perak, the Perak cousins will continue to run over anyone who stands in their way.

  4. Mac David says:

    DAP, PKR & PAS are all party cronies & nepotism at highest level. Tun Dr.M never allowed his sons, even to hold ‘ketua stesen Bas’ at any party level when he was in power.
    Nik Aziz even challenge Tun Dr.M to resign. After a decade, he himself is still holding on the MB seat.
    Till death to I relinquish.

  5. abba says:

    It’s simply inconceivable that the voices of reason, freedom of expression and real democracy has not been growing in the so-called Democratic Action Party. They must have. The party didn’t carry the name Democratic for nothing – many members must have argued.

    I only hope that the number is bursting at the seams. And if the convention in December is not postponed, I think it will burst into sparks, even lightning and volcanic eruptions. It’ll only take a flint to ignite the sparks. And flints there are quite a few. The Selangor Speaker Teng is certainly one.

    Gag Orders, telling-offs and expulsions have been the methods used by the Lim Dynasty to control the dissatisfied, the disenfranchised and the marginalized DAP members. One reads about that every so often. Then there are the times when bang, even the Vice Chairman Tunku Aziz stormed out of the party calling LGE “biadap”. All these must have emboldened the disgruntled others to want to rise up in arms – verbally at party conventions and the like.

    That sort of situation had happened before. At the Selangor DAP convention when Ronnie Liu was unseated from the Selangor DAP Chief’s post by Teresa Kok. Reportedly by the connivance of old man LKS and son LGE. Gangster-like Ronnie (banging MACC doors and Klang Hospital mortuary doors outside office hours after the death of Teoh Beng Hock) must have been very sore. He must still have his core of loyal supporters. Remember the number of lay DAP people he put on the various boards of Majlis Bandaran and municipality councils throughout the state of Selangor. His position as Exco member i/c local government allowed him to do those.

    Call it hopeful thinking, but I think there’ll be a big fight for the Sec Gen post at the next DAP convention. Postponing it and taking action against rival candidates would cause sabotage by the rival candidates and/or their supporters against DAP candidates at PRU13. Either way, I don’t mind.

    • Pakatan Puak Pembohong says:

      believe me when I say it, the Lim Father and Son Team will do whatever it takes to preserve their Dynastic Rule of the DAP. they have a lot of support from the Anglophiles and Christians within the party. since there’s no direct voting, the only way to unseat the Father and Son Team is for a group of individuals, people like Teng Chang Khim and M Kulasegaran, to come together and cobble enough votes from the delegates to send the Lim Family packing.

      • Anonymous says:

        “no direct voting” –

        Can you explain a little how the voting works, how to cobble the Lims out.

        Who knows, maybe the DAP readers of this blog can learn a thing or two and even gobble the diktats.

        • Pakatan Puak Pembohong says:

          no voting here means the DAP members, the hundreds of thousands here in Malaysia, the ordinary members, they have no right to vote directly. they vote for delegates, then the delegates vote for the top leadership.
          so you need to cobble up a group of delegates, large groups that are anti Lim Family. this is where anti Lim Family people like Teng Chang Khim come into the picture. if people like Teng can muster enough support at delegates level, meaning your people can vote in delegates that are anti Lim Family and/or anti Singh Family, then you have a fighting chance of ousting them.

          • Anonymous says:

            Hear that, you DAP guys? Get hold of delegates to the Congress, persuade them to support Teng the Selangor Speaker.

            Looks like you need to identify first who will get to be delegates, voted or nominated I don’t know their system. Having done that, identify those who are not hardcore Lim supporters. Don’t waste time on them coz even if you break their heads, they will still raise their hands for Lim.

            But spend time trying to persuade those “open minded” types. And especially those who have been known to express 1-2 misgivings about the Lims and the Karpals.

          • Anonymous says:

            Don’t waste time on the hardcore Lim supporters, I mean. Work on the non-hardcore delegates.

            And txs PPP for the insight.

      • Anonymous says:

        “a lot of support (for the Lims) from the Anglophiles and Christians within the party.”

        I have no idea as to how many they are. If anybody has seen any estimates, I’d be glad to know. Btw, has anyone seen DAP membership figures, estimated or claimed by the DAP or any others? A quick googling doesn’t show even ordinary membership figures.

        The Real Rakyat has said many Chinese using Christian names are not necessarily Christians. Looks like the Christians may not be as many as might be perceived. Maybe when TRR comes in, he might throw further light on these.

        True, the DAP Christians are the thinking kind, compared to the products of Chinese schools who may have joined DAP simply because of being anti-Establishment. But one would think that the disenchanted, dissatisfied, disgruntled ones are in the Anglophile and Christian group who should have seen a lack of democracy in Democratic Action Party. And therefore more of them favouring the Lims less than, say, Teng.

        Wd be glad to hear more from any of you on these.

  6. DAPster4 says:

    .

    DAP’s National Congress in December 2012???

    Dream on!

    If you were a family of Tokongs, like the Lim’s and the Singh’s… would you relinquish supreme power to deceive your supporters in democratic fashion?

    Without their perceived, overly-rated status in DAP, those Tokongs would be nothing… zilch… nada… ilek… bo!

    Worthless souls!

    .

  7. ray says:

    Err … Teng Chang Khim looks very mild-mannered and genteel.

    Perhaps like Clark Kent, he has his blue, red and yellow figure-hugging leotards underneath his suit.

    • Anonymous says:

      ray, puji him by all means, so long as you don’t vote him as a delegate or whatever, haha.

      Jangan mara bro, nak jenaka hari Juma’at ni.

      Actually, I agree with you, the man nampak ada class, not sengkek and apek looking like those two.

  8. Melaka Mari says:

    Dr Tan Seng Giaw is propably the longest serving Deputy Secretary-General of a political party in the world.
    Such a record is only possible to be achived in the Dictators’ Action Party.
    Another record is the number of fathers and sons in power and if including the Pakatan Riot, fathers, mothers and daughters in power. Democracy and fighting for the rakyat? More likely for their ass and the asses of their stupid supporters!

  9. Korean Fan says:

    In my opinion, it is still pretty hard to ousted the Lims. The reason is because they have control over everything dear to DAP’s politics. They have control over the media (the Star is a good example), the tycoon (developers), the power (in Penang, where it is a safe seat for DAP politician) and the supporters, especially the younger generation who really have no idea about DAP and its history. They call Guan Eng tokong for a reason. He is not only arrogant, but seen as a God sent leader who can do no wrong. Who is Teng Chai Kim, and who cares? Whack Teng and you see no one cares. But try to whack the Tokong and be prepare to get the worse insult in the history of cyberspace. Looking at the scenario, I believe the Lims will still control DAP for the next term.

    • Servant of God says:

      True, dat.

      It is too simplistic to expect that everything would be settled by GE13. The more logical view is that GE13 would only set the stage for some serious polarisation in this country, and that the true reckoning will be in GE14.

      Haiiyaaa…

    • Anonymous says:

      Could you say a bit more on the following, pls:

      1. “control over the media (the Star is a good example).” I thought the Star has been MCA-owned. Any proof it’s not so? I’ve read complaints about DAP sympathizers infiltrating the Star Management/ Editorial, but ownership rests with MCA, isn”t it?

      2. “the supporters, especially the younger generation who really have no idea about DAP and its history.” What age group and occupation are these and any idea of their % over all the others?

  10. Korean Fan says:

    Anon 6.20
    > 1. “control over the media (the Star is a good example).” I thought the Star has been MCA-owned. Any proof it’s not so? I’ve read complaints about DAP sympathizers infiltrating the Star Management/ Editorial, but ownership rests with MCA, isn”t it?

    Who cares who own the Star. What is more important is the content it publishes. What is the justification that MCA owns the Star? Check with ROC to see if MCA really owns the Star on paper. Just as Utusan. It may align to BN, but what is the justification that BN owns Utusan? I doubt that. But it alignes itself to BN because of the people in it. So if the DAP sympathizers infiltrate the Star, isn’t it a prove that DAP has control over the paper, just as how the opposition says the BN has control over Utusan. Can you proof that BN owns UTUSAN?

    >2. “the supporters, especially the younger generation who really have no idea about DAP and its history.” What age group and occupation are these and any idea of their % over all the others?

    We are not merdeka center that churn out political statistics. What we are pointing out is a general perceptions where people who follow Malaysia politic can sense it. This is gauge by the amount of cyberspace and social media infiltration in which it is the playground of the younger generation. Look at the events organized by Bersih and you can see a phenomenon not seen before, i.e. the chinese participate in street demonstration. Who they are and what are their age group? By looking at the pictures, we can tell that most are below 40s. Look at the Sarawak election recently. Who are those people behind DAP political campaign?

    You sound like an opposition sympathizer using tricky way to undermine responses that does not favour to your party. Today, we do not need statistics to tell that DAP has the support of young chinese. Its simple common sense. What we are trying to do is to draw conclusion on why they are supporting DAP. We try to understand, why these supporters are so blind despite of their hypocrisy and many facts, figures and exposes being published. Look at the recent one (very good one) on the ability of LGE as an accountant to count and yet their supporters are still blind. So we conclude it with one simple word, introduced by no other than his deputy in Penang, Tokong.

    • Anonymous says:

      1. Nope, not an opposition sympathizer, far from it. I loath them.

      2. Not “using tricky way to undermine responses that does not favour to your party” – I’m not a member of any party. Only simple sincere questions to get more info, with a then undeclared objective of belittling the extent of the Opposition support, certainly not to glorify them or give the impression to readers that they are appearing as anything formidable. They are not. Saying that they are would be helping them.

      3. I disagree on the point “the events organized by Bersih .. a phenomenon not seen before, i.e. the chinese participate in street demonstration.” That’s completely untrue – the Chinese have been on street demonstrations since the days of Lim Kit Siang and the DAP putting up illegal demos alone in the past, without PKR and PAS participation. Most of the participants were Chinese.

      4. Ownership of shares may not be under the party name, so checking with ROC may not give a clear picture of the links to a political party. Hence the sincere question to any one who might know.

      5. UMNO or its proxies own Utusan and I don’t think that has been disputed. But UMNO people manage Utusan and there has been no infiltration by PKR or PAS elements. No instances of Utusan seriously embarassing or sabotaging UMNO, but if there was I’m pretty sure the top rung would take action one way or another on the Management.

      As my intent appeared to have been wrongly interpreted and I don’t wish to get confrontational (hoping that we are on the same side), I’ll cease to address you further on this subject, except state my belief that DAP’s influence is not that strong and MCA and Gerakan should do their job to diminish it.

      • Servant of God says:

        Hey, chill. Don’t take it wrong, we love hearing from new participants. Provided, that is, that they bring with them coherent thought and speech, and remembered what Momma taught them about manners.

        It’s just been a bit quiet recently, and I’m itching to shout someone down. Maybe others are feeling the same, and are a bit more vocal about it.

        So hang around, and share your thoughts. A fresh point of view is always welcome.

      • Korean Fan says:

        Dear Anon 6.20

        I apologize for prejudging your post. I am in online political debate for quite some time, way back in the time of reformasi and has experienced many chores of online debate, especially with anonymous post. It is just a way for me to quickly draw the writers to express their political inclination so the course of debate can be address objectively. Not in anyway it is treated as a confrontation.

        No doubt that DAP did have some organized demonstration. Same goes for dong jiong. But not in the scale of Bersih. Do not compare with the pre independence or May 13th. I call it phenomenon because the new generation of chinese, i.e. after the May 13th are the generation that knows no demonstration. In fact, in the height of reformasi, it was the chinese that voted the BN into power. Today, the new generation of chinese are the post reformasi chinese, who know and learn politic after the reformasi era. They are the different breed with new thought of idealism.

        Anyway, cheers.

        • anonymous says:

          Cheers to all peace loving Malaysians

          and boos to the trouble makers, with suspect loyalty

        • Anonymous says:

          Apology accepted. I’d also apologize if I cross the line – hopefully not.

          In the face of the enemy, we always close rank. PR is not just an enemy. They are simply not acceptable beings in this country.

          You guys are OK. Constructive, pacifying and unifying comments as well while whacking the PR fellows.

          I’ll be around joining you guys whacking from time to time.

  11. the truth says:

    Anwar Ibrahim made a promise that the coming general election would be his last. He will go for a broke, means that if he fails to wrest Putrajaya from Barisan Nasional, his political career will come to an end.

    For similar reasons, DAP stalwart Lim Kit Siang too will have to proof his worthiness as the party’s supreme leader. Should Pakatan Rakyat fails to make it, he should as well bid farewell to Malaysian politics, for good!

    Why?

    Lim’s dynasty which has been leading DAP for a long, long time might have to face a new threat in the party’s National Congress expected to be held on December 2012.

    DAP leaders are so fond of reminding BN about the change of mindset among the rakyat, that the rakyat would like to see changes in Putrajaya. So, DAP members should also be prepared to face similar ambience.

    Thus, like it or not, this old dynasty might have to accept the fact that as time evolves, DAP members are beginning to have a change of mind and heart.

    Today, iron-fist leadership can no longer guarantee continuous power.

    Few of those who are expected to challenge Lim Guan Eng for the Secretary General post include Teng Chang Khim, Speaker for Selangor State Assembly and also a party committee member.

    It is no longer a secret that Teng Chang Khim would be among those who got the guts and balls to go against ‘the one way street’, against the tradition set by Lim and Karpal Singh about 30 years ago – that is not to challenge the party’s highest authority!

    Teng is said to be leading the group which is beginning to cast lots of doubt on Lim’s dynasty and other DAP higher leaders, especially after they took over Penang from BN in the 12th general election.

    Not just about the arrogance among their supreme leaders but also their performance of late. Each of their weakness began to show, especially when their role as the opposition leader didn’t augur well for Malaysians. What they have been doing was to oppose each and every policy the government introduced.

    DAP members were hoping for their leaders to play a constructive role at the Parliament but they failed for one reason – to push Anwar up!

    In fact, their political cooperation with PAS started with a silent protest from grass root members. However, they began to criticise the leadership openly when leaders like Kit Siang and son Guan Eng did not make any stand on ‘hudud’ law.

    Going by political measurement, Chang Khim is getting more influential these days. More and more members are seeing Guan Eng’s speedy escalation in politics as a dangerous sign. To them, if Pakatan wins, Lim’s dynasty would be even more arrogant, making it tougher for others to bring them down.

    Lim and his family are well aware of this matter and they are said to be planning for a strategy to safeguard their interest. However, members are getting impatient to see changes to the party leadership. Beside the two Lim, they also want people like Karpal and Tan Seng Giaw out of the picture. Lim may not believe this but come December, he will discover the truth!

    Hence, it is not impossible that DAP Congress later this year will become a turning point for Lim Dynasty. This may sound impossible but members – who all the while just nod to his command – will ensure his exit.

    Let’s see if Lim can stop them!

  12. The Real Rakyat says:

    Sorry guys been a lil busy with stuff plus setting up a bogus PR supporter/trooper acc to gain more insight on how this hardcore group thinks. I have my eyes set on a few of them quite notorious if you been following SYA posting on PR troopers etc plus need to whack them a few of them as have been abit dormant due to work so can’t whack as extensively but i certainly know those guys have had my fair share of battles against them. Will be going thru the comments and will give my view points on the subjects raised. Until then cheers guys

    wait for my comments and replies till then!! Cherrio!!

    • Servant of God says:

      Well done.

    • Anonymous says:

      Anxious to hear how the hardcore thinks. Also what the hardcore is made of.

      Maybe they are hard all the time. Like the NUS university students who like to be hard on and put photos of their love making acts on the Internet. And the 24 year-old stupid and arrogant girl said she doesn’t care what others think. And one comment I read told her what appears in the Internet may be read by her children and grandchildren.

      Don’t care what others think, the bitch said. Chiiiish.

      • The Real Rakyat says:

        Anon 6:22

        She can say that now but remember she is currently job hunting and sorry to say with the problems she having now she will be jobless for a loooong time however i heard that the porn industry is in need of fresh young asian talent maybe she can audition and secure a good job there? Brilliant comment from a stupid and sexed up girl. Little girl (wah i sound old reality is our age only few years apart) acting stupid and being stupid is 2 very different things and thing is girl since you enjoy sex so much (who doesn’t) but we don’t post our sexual escapades online now do we? Now easy to talk coz parents support like now you are looking for job what will the skills you put in your resume?? Purveyor of great sex (so-called yet to substasiated) as your special skills?? That would onlybe great for the porn or prostitution industry little girl the working world has no need for such skills.

  13. Servant of God says:

    Hah! And here I was saying it’s been quiet lately. Looks like things could start to heat up tomorrow onwards.

    • Anonymous says:

      Ya la. Going into the May post Guang Eng Goes Amok Over Media Query that one Anonymous commented last night, I saw over 120 comments in 3 days, so many different names.

      This post got over 40 comments since yesterday but not so many different names. What happened?

      Maybe the Oppo hippos takut to come in here kena shout by us.

  14. Stok says:

    Atok yang uzur menyeru STL dan victim Dinasti Lim, termasuk Tunku Aziz dll memperhabatkan lagi kempen UBAH DAP,target kat ahli dan penyokong DAP, biar mereka sedar akan tipu helah si Dua Ekor ni. Konon dah Ubah Gomen. Inilah orang kata, “nampak kuman di seberang, gajah di depan mata tak nampak”. Marah kat orang katakan busuk, tapi bau busuk itu asalnya dari mereka yang berak mearata-rata dan tak cepuk buntut, tahi melekat merata-rata.. Kesannya sampai ke mulut celupar mereka yang berbau busuk dan hanyir dan niat yang busuk dan dengki seperti bangkai.

  15. The Real Rakyat says:

    Since i’m always whacking on fb this PR fellas now i setup this account so i xan really see how they think. My sights are set on a few since this are the common people commenting and attacking any pro BN coments. As they call i will be the musuh dlm selimut hehehe. I want to see more of them as one of them. I manage to identify some as PKR (mostly) and DAP (less) troopers. Have yet to see any PAS troopers in most BN or PR pages. Got quite a few persistent ones but pretty much silenced surprising really how easily PAS tropers give up (maybe PAS payout small kot?) but the most aggressive so far has been the PKR troopers since the party is flush wit money and my sights are set on them in particular and this should be fun indeeed!!

    • Servant of God says:

      These PKR troopers feel they’re smarter than everyone else kan, so no surprise laa if they’re vindictive.

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